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Author Topic: MCC LIST #183: 2014, collectors, pullback 9 reasons, food, coin-medal-whatever  (Read 74796 times)
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« Reply #680 on: 2014 Dec 22, 05:28:45 pm »

What makes these coins stand out is that they are in cheap auctions ending on Christmas day: 141511280721, 301447955701. It's wise to bid on auctions that end during holidays or other distracting events, but it's also wise to bid on auctions that BEGIN on those days too, because much of the bidding activity relies on people seeing what's newly listed on those days, instead of what's ending soonest.
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« Reply #681 on: 2014 Dec 23, 10:09:07 am »

I see the Kublai Khan listing was removed.  I presume someone made a deal offline.  I was hoping to see what it went for...oh well.  Badon, can you tell us what variety it was?
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« Reply #682 on: 2014 Dec 23, 05:46:25 pm »

I see the Kublai Khan listing was removed.  I presume someone made a deal offline.  I was hoping to see what it went for...oh well.  Badon, can you tell us what variety it was?



ebay item number 111554612277 was the "broken helmet" variety. Excessive die polishing separated the top helmet ornament from the rest of the helmet. I don't remember the last time I saw one on ebay. I don't think I've EVER seen one on ebay. Because of how rare and interesting it is, it's possible that it could turn out to be one of the most important and valuable varieties. The only variety that compares to it in obviousness is the frosted spears variety, which we've seen on ebay perhaps 2 or 3 times so far. Both the frosted spears and the broken helmet varieties are die errors. The small army variety is also a die error, but it isn't as obvious that something is wrong with it. However, the small army is currently the most well-known, and probably the most valuable at the moment.

It's not yet clear which variety is the rarest, and/or most important. I have found one more variety that might be part of the competition for the top spot, and that's a high relief design version, that's substantially different from other dies. I buy a lot of the Kublai Khan because it's too cheap, and there are many treasures to be found. The reason it is too cheap is because everyone fears restrikes. Those restrikes were made because the Kublai Khan is probably the most popular coin in the entire CCT10: Chinese historical figures series. However, the restrikes were not exact duplicates of the originals, which makes them easily distinguishable, and makes many collectible varieties too.

So, despite the inexpensive prices and relatively easy availability for the Kublai Khan, I think it has more investment potential than other coins that seem to be as cheap and common. Of course, being a rare 70 helps a lot too. The population of 70's for the Kublai Khan is only 16 out of more than 500 graded(!), while other coins in the series often have more 70's with fewer graded in total - that makes this coin one of the most desirable 70's, for people trying to complete a set of 70's. It's possible that whoever got the coin was not aware it is a rare and important variety. Certainly the seller was not aware of that.

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« Reply #683 on: 2014 Dec 23, 06:20:22 pm »

I did some other searches on ebay for ongoing ebay listings search for "1989 kublai khan" and sold ebay listings search for "1989 kublai khan". I didn't have time to examine them all for varieties, but you might find some treasures there if you look closely.
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« Reply #684 on: 2014 Dec 23, 08:27:38 pm »

About a year or so ago a Kublai Kahn PF 69 was listed on ebay.   Emailed one of my collector group and he purchased it and another PF 69 for peanuts.   One is a possible broken helmet variety.   Will ask him to take photos.........
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« Reply #685 on: 2014 Dec 24, 12:22:27 pm »

In addition to ebay auctions ending soonest on the holidays, I'm also paying attention to ebay newly listed cheap auctions on the holidays, because inexperienced sellers are listing new coins today and tomorrow that will be overlooked. That increases the likelihood that they will be overlooked again when the auctions are ending. ebay item number 151526058656 is the perfect example, because:

1. The auction was started on a holiday, when fewer people are cruising ebay for new listings.
2. The seller listed it as a short 2 day auction, further reducing the number of eyes that will see it.
3. The seller is new, with no feedback yet, and fewer people will be willing to bid.
4. The coin is a 68, which usually get much less attention than 69's and 70's.
5. The coin is gold, which means some people will not bid because they assume they can't afford it.

None of those things are guarantees that the coin will sell for below market value, but they all increase the odds that you could get lucky. The only way this could be better is if it were a much more expensive coin that is difficult to sell for a fair price, like big gold. Big silver isn't as prone to selling for below market value, but ebay item number 371221699538 is a 12 oz silver panda that might be worth watching also.
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« Reply #686 on: 2014 Dec 25, 09:57:09 am »

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to All LBC members!
wish all of you have a prosperous and healthy year in 2015!!!
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« Reply #687 on: 2014 Dec 26, 01:18:45 am »

Does this 1985 coin 141504115648 look like it took inspiration from this 1980's coin 141504111159, or vice versa? From the descriptions in the ebay listings, it's unclear which coin was made first, but 141504111159 has an extensive description that says the designer was Han Mei Lin (Meilin), a world-famous Chinese artist, so I think that increases the possibility that it is the original design, and the other coin, 141504115648 minted in 1985, is the one that was made later. If those guesses are correct, then the unknown "1980's" date for 141504111159 is narrowed to "some time between 1980 and 1985".

Those 2 coins are from ggoodluck2013, so maybe he can answer a few questions about them. What is "Sichuan Wolong"? Is the "Shanghai Stamp company" issuer official in some way, perhaps like China Gold Coin Inc? If not, are both of these coins definitely privately minted, then? I really like the simple and cute designs of the child-like pandas on these two coins. They remind me of the earliest similar style I can think of, in the design of the CCT1496: 1984 1 oz silver panda Hong Kong expo, CCT1146: 1985 5 oz silver panda Hong Kong expo, and CCT4150: 1988 brass panda Hong Kong expo. Those designs are quite different from the ebay item numbers above, but is it possible that they took their inspiration from one of them? If it is later discovered that the official Hong Kong expo coin designs were influenced by the Mei Lin designs in 141504111159 and/or 141504115648, then it won't matter whether the Han Meilin designs are official or not, because their place in history will be considered important even if they're not official.
I am sorry,I missed this subject,just today I read Jeru's message,I note this subject,I also consider that the "Han Meilin" is earlier than the "Sichuan Wolong"(Sichuan Wolong is a place name,the largest panda reserve in china),because the "Han Meilin "panda coin has no gear,usually those coins with no gear were minted in the early 1980s,especially 1980 and 1981,and this coin was issued by Shanghai Stamp company,a very famous stamp company before 1990s,but I am not sure which mint struck these two coins.By the way,Han Meilin is a world-famous Chinese artist,some of his writing of panda prototype were also used in MCC coins.
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« Reply #688 on: 2014 Dec 26, 02:02:46 pm »

Registered LBC members can preview the draft for MCC commentary #72: 2014 Christmas dominated by Buy-It-Now and Best Offer sales.
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« Reply #689 on: 2014 Dec 27, 03:34:50 pm »

I thought this was interesting: 151523374848. The coin is uncertified, and sold for only $28 on the 24th, Christmas Eve. Now, ebay item number 351266902349 is an NGC 70 in a cheap auction starting at $0.99 with no bids yet. This seller has been dumping entire sets of these coins in cheap auctions routinely, so maybe it's a good time to buy them. You can click the link to see the seller's other cheap auctions for Chinese coins, and also look at everything they're selling to find some interesting coins that could be miscategorized.
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