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Author Topic: MCC LIST #183: 2014, collectors, pullback 9 reasons, food, coin-medal-whatever  (Read 74653 times)
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« Reply #580 on: 2014 Dec 01, 05:08:09 pm »

Here is my bronze chariot and horses. I got it for $17. With this publicity, I don't think I can pick the cherry anymore  Angry



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« Reply #581 on: 2014 Dec 01, 05:35:56 pm »

That's a beautiful photo, do you have a photo of the other side? I'm telling Jeru about the image, so she can add it to the CC photo collection for us: Re: New Type: 1997 gold plated bronze World Decade for Cultural Development.
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« Reply #582 on: 2014 Dec 01, 05:43:30 pm »

Here is the reverse. There are some hairlines on the soft material.


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« Reply #583 on: 2014 Dec 01, 06:00:39 pm »

Those hairlines look like an interesting challenge for the NGC graders. Even though they were not enough to leave a mark on the metal, I assume they will still to interpret it as damage to the coin, and cut down the grade. I'm guessing every coin had hairlines on the plastic rubbery stuff before it ever left the mint. That will make it an interesting challenge to find 69 specimens. Maybe somebody got a special set that was handled more carefully, and is still pristine.

Do you know if there are patterns or trial strikes out there somewhere? Clearly the plastic stuff would have had to have been added after striking, so that makes the metal parts more vulnerable. It would be a curious situation to find a specimen with perfect plastic, but damaged metal.
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« Reply #584 on: 2014 Dec 01, 06:33:44 pm »

Those hairlines look like an interesting challenge for the NGC graders. Even though they were not enough to leave a mark on the metal, I assume they will still to interpret it as damage to the coin, and cut down the grade. I'm guessing every coin had hairlines on the plastic rubbery stuff before it ever left the mint. That will make it an interesting challenge to find 69 specimens. Maybe somebody got a special set that was handled more carefully, and is still pristine.

Do you know if there are patterns or trial strikes out there somewhere? Clearly the plastic stuff would have had to have been added after striking, so that makes the metal parts more vulnerable. It would be a curious situation to find a specimen with perfect plastic, but damaged metal.
This set is hard to find. I only ran into the selling post for one complete set in China, from which ggoodluck posted the pictures. My medal and the two Great Walls currently on eBay are the only sightings outside China. These were obviously gifts from the Ministry of Culture.

I don't plan to grade mine. Why bother to send it in for a low grade? Also, these large copper medals are nice to hold in hand. Slabbed ones do not give you that intimate feeling.
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« Reply #585 on: 2014 Dec 01, 06:38:00 pm »

For hard-to-find coins or medals, the relative grade rarity is not that important anymore.
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« Reply #586 on: 2014 Dec 01, 07:56:40 pm »

This set is hard to find. I only ran into the selling post for one complete set in China, from which ggoodluck posted the pictures. My medal and the two Great Walls currently on eBay are the only sightings outside China. These were obviously gifts from the Ministry of Culture.

Uh-oh, it sounds like they might have been VIP coins, the most interesting kind of unofficial or semi-official coins.

Here is my bronze chariot and horses. I got it for $17. With this publicity, I don't think I can pick the cherry anymore  Angry

Yes, identifying them as possible VIP coins didn't help, haha Smiley

I don't plan to grade mine. Why bother to send it in for a low grade? Also, these large copper medals are nice to hold in hand. Slabbed ones do not give you that intimate feeling.

I certify mine because of the archival grade holder, and the guarantee of authenticity. I've touch plenty of copper with my hands, and one thing that always happens is the copper begins to blacken from the skin oils (sebum), and corrode from the salty sweat residue. I don't enjoy damaging my coins, so I prefer to keep them safe for future generations by never letting them make contact with anything other than their protective NGC or PCGS holder.

Collectors can completely obliterate the design of a coin in only 50 years of handling. An un-handled coin can last many, many, many thousands of years in near-pristine condition, exactly the way the artists intended. Art is beautiful to me, and I don't want to be the reason why the artwork eventually disappears from the earth forever. As a collector, my duty is the great honor of perfect preservation of irreplaceable artifacts of history. It's kind of sad that this professional curator put his personal affection for touching things above his responsibility for pristine preservation:


For hard-to-find coins or medals, the relative grade rarity is not that important anymore.

I agree, that's why I don't care what grade a coin gets, as long as it is guaranteed authentic, and it's well-protected in an NGC holder. I can enjoy looking at it as often as I want, without needing to worry if I might accidentally damage it.
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« Reply #587 on: 2014 Dec 02, 07:38:35 am »

Here's something special that's ending in a few minutes: 201226509197. I did some looking around, and it appears we have overlooked this one until now. With all the attention the coins from this set have received, I'm surprised it has no bids yet. Starting and ending early in the morning might explain why it got overlooked.
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« Reply #588 on: 2014 Dec 02, 10:08:58 am »

Uh-oh, it sounds like they might have been VIP coins, the most interesting kind of unofficial or semi-official coins.

Yes, identifying them as possible VIP coins didn't help, haha Smiley

I certify mine because of the archival grade holder, and the guarantee of authenticity. I've touch plenty of copper with my hands, and one thing that always happens is the copper begins to blacken from the skin oils (sebum), and corrode from the salty sweat residue. I don't enjoy damaging my coins, so I prefer to keep them safe for future generations by never letting them make contact with anything other than their protective NGC or PCGS holder.

Collectors can completely obliterate the design of a coin in only 50 years of handling. An un-handled coin can last many, many, many thousands of years in near-pristine condition, exactly the way the artists intended. Art is beautiful to me, and I don't want to be the reason why the artwork eventually disappears from the earth forever. As a collector, my duty is the great honor of perfect preservation of irreplaceable artifacts of history. It's kind of sad that this professional curator put his personal affection for touching things above his responsibility for pristine preservation:


I agree, that's why I don't care what grade a coin gets, as long as it is guaranteed authentic, and it's well-protected in an NGC holder. I can enjoy looking at it as often as I want, without needing to worry if I might accidentally damage it.
I don't really touch them with bare hands. I use gloves. Still it feels better through the gloves than encased in a slab.

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« Reply #589 on: 2014 Dec 02, 04:20:03 pm »

Check out this fake 1995 panda: 171564473801. It's one of the worst fakes I've ever seen. The coin has highly reflective mirror fields, unlike the unshiny finish on the genuine coins, but the most interesting thing is that the fake dies were so heavily polished, much of the design has been erased! Look at the tree branches and leaves - gone! It's very pretty with all that glittery shine, but kind of funny too, when you notice how excessive the polishing job is. You can compare it to a genuine coin in an ultimate-pristine 70 grade, here: 261684646421.

This is another very interesting "fake" panda: 371202144742. I put "fake" in quotes because the coin itself is actually probably genuine. What isn't genuine is the admittedly gorgeous plating job it has. I have a particular affection for ruthenium because I was the only person in the world to publish a correct prediction of its imminent rise from obscurity in 2006, after more than a century of being largely worthless after its discovery. My prediction timing was accurate within about 3 or 4 days of its actual movement! But let's get back to the panda..

The "COA" for this coin (again in quotes) explains the fascinating history of ruthenium, and gives you some idea of why it is important. What it doesn't tell you is WHO certifies its authenticity! In fact, this coin is probably privately altered, for dramatic effect, as you can see how unusual the ruthenium plating looks. Unfortunately, that kind of unofficial alteration almost always ruins a coin's collector and investor value, but for people who like interesting but-mostly-worthless novelties, it would certainly strike up some fascinating conversations about pandas in general, and ruthenium in particular.
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