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« on: 2011 Sep 24, 08:14:58 am »



The article is broken up into separate posts - The coin investments list is at the end of the article

Tamo42 wrote up an excellent summary of recent events below. The only thing I'd like to add is that there are two more Fed meetings remaining in 2012. The next one is in November. You can find the schedule here:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/fomccalendars.htm
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« Reply #1 on: 2011 Sep 24, 08:16:03 am »

It's been an interesting few days. Since the Fed announcement that they will only be shuffling money around and keeping interest rates near zero, all the financial markets have begun plummeting. Along the way, gold and silver prices have dropped as well. Most seem to believe that this is in response to margin calls as traders get liquidated out of other losing trades (like being long the EUR/USD cross). And once the cascade in gold and silver started, stop loss orders were hit, adding more sell orders to the market.

And so gold has dropped about $200 and silver has dropped about $10.

Chinese coins? Pretty much no drop at all.

Look below for the sold coin listings. There were only 22, which is about a fourth of the last list, but all sales were within established sales ranges. Now it is possible that we'll see some pricing weakness as we go forward, but it will be far, far less than the straight precious metals market. This is a major advantage of the Chinese coin market.

Enjoy browsing and buying from the following list. Let me know what you guys think about the new, more-streamlined format.
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« Reply #2 on: 2011 Sep 24, 08:16:14 am »

Table of contents

Not everything is in the table of contents, but all the important stuff is here.

* Opera web browser
* Coins sold from the previous list
* Chinese coins are better
* Register, read replies, get NOTIFICATIONS, access drafts
* Recommended reading
* Our choices
* Problem sellers
* NCS conserved
* 70 grade coins
* Proof pandas
* BU pandas
* Investment grade 1/2 oz silver pandas
* Investment grade large date and small date pandas
* Platinum and palladium pandas
* Other pandas and expo coins
* Lunar coins
* Other investment grade coins
* Helpful searches
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« Reply #3 on: 2011 Sep 24, 08:16:26 am »

Coins sold from the Modern Chinese coin investments LIST #90 article

Coin Sold  Sale Price  Sale Type  Melt RatioAg oz priceAu oz price
1986 1/20 oz gold panda PCGS MS 69$154.38auction1.864.990.09
1987 S 1/20 oz gold panda PCGS MS 69$135.5auction1.634.380.08
1987 Y 1/20 oz gold panda PCGS MS 69$154.38auction1.864.990.09
1988 1/20 oz gold panda large date NGC MS 69$135.5auction1.634.380.08
1991 1 oz silver panda large date NGC MS 69$222.51auction7.197.190.13
1991 1/2 oz gold panda large date NGC MS 69$1598Buy-It-Now1.9251.60.96
1994 27 g silver olympic archery NGC PF 70 UC$500Buy-It-Now18.616.10.30
1994 27 g silver olympic basketball NCS NGC PF 69 UC$215Buy-It-Now8.006.950.12
1995 27 g silver olympic handball NCS NGC PF 70 UC$488Buy-It-Now18.115.70.29
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$635offer20.520.50.38
1998 1/20 oz gold panda small date PCGS MS 69$1325auction15.942.80.79
1999 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NGC PF 69 UC$255auction8.248.240.15
1999 1 oz silver panda large date plain 1 NGC MS 69$460.01auction14.814.80.27
2000 1 oz silver panda frosted NGC MS 69$444.98auction14.314.30.26
2000 1 oz silver panda frosted NGC MS 69$475Buy-It-Now15.315.30.28
2000 1 oz silver panda frosted PCGS MS 69$461auction14.914.90.27
2000 2/3 oz silver scallop flower lunar dragon PCGS PR 69 DCAM$599auction29.019.30.36
2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69$169.49auction5.475.470.10
2002 1 oz gold panda NGC MS 70$4699.99auction2.83151.2.83
2004 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NGC MS 69$191.38auction6.186.180.11
2005 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NCS NGC MS 69$235offer7.597.590.14
2010 5 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$649Buy-It-Now4.1920.90.39
Total 22 coins:$14203.12459.8.57
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« Reply #4 on: 2011 Sep 24, 08:17:12 am »

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1986 24 g silver Empress of China NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $650 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 90000
Grade Stats: 10% earn this grade or better (20 out of 189 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $67-$128 MS 69
Comments: Problem seller. Rare in investment grade.

1986 24 g silver Empress of China NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $379.95 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 90000
Grade Stats: 10% earn this grade or better (20 out of 189 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $67-$128 MS 69
Comments: Rare in investment grade.

1989 1/4 oz gold New York expo panda NGC PF 70 UC

Sale Terms: $6950 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 5000
Grade Stats: 02% earn this grade or better (2 out of 72 graded in total)
Recent Sales:
Comments: Scarce!

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« Reply #5 on: 2011 Sep 24, 08:17:28 am »

1990 1/10 oz gold panda large date NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $2795 Buy-It-Now, or offer.
Mintage: 216546
Grade Stats: 14% earn this grade or better (1 out of 7 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $248-$550 MS 69
Comments: Rare in investment grade, even considering that the grading stats do not include 49 non-attributed coins. This is towards the upper end of the 3-5x range for MS 70s, but there are only 3 of them (1 large date, 2 unattributed) known to exist presently. There was a recent sale of $2400 from the same seller, but it was likely canceled.

1990 15 g silver unearthed discoveries leopard NGC PF 70 UC

Sale Terms: $1388 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 5000
Grade Stats: 03% earn this grade or better (4 out of 114 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $455 PF 69
Comments: Scarce!

1994 27 g silver olympic boxing NCS NGC PF 70 UC

Sale Terms: $600 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 30000
Grade Stats: 24% earn this grade or better (6 out of 25 graded in total)
Recent Sales:
Comments: Rare in investment grade. NCS conserved!

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1995 1 oz silver Munich expo panda NCS NGC PF 70 UC

Sale Terms: $3995 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 2500
Grade Stats: 10% earn this grade or better (3 out of 29 graded in total)
Recent Sales:
Comments: Scarce!

1996 1 oz silver panda small date PCGS MS 70

Sale Terms: $5999.95 Buy-It-Now, or offer.
Mintage: -
Grade Stats: 01% earn this grade or better (6 out of 492 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $134-$230 MS 69
Comments: Rare in investment grade.

1997 2/3 oz silver modern paintings penguin NGC PF 70 UC

Sale Terms: $1950 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 8800
Grade Stats: 04% earn this grade or better (6 out of 147 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $950 PF 69
Comments: Underpriced at only 2x the PF 69 price. Rare in investment grade.

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2000 1 oz silver Guangzhou expo panda NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $3750 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 40000
Grade Stats: 02% earn this grade or better (2 out of 82 graded in total)
Recent Sales:
Comments: Rare in investment grade.

2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $2999 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 33000
Grade Stats: 03% earn this grade or better (18 out of 569 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $144-$232 MS 69
Comments: Problem seller. Rare in investment grade.

2002 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70

Sale Terms: $2650 Buy-It-Now, or offer.
Mintage: 500000
Grade Stats: 11% earn this grade or better (85 out of 757 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $600-$911
Comments:

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2005 1 kg silver panda NGC PF 70 UC

Sale Terms: $17995 Buy-It-Now, or offer.
Mintage: 4000
Grade Stats: 03% earn this grade or better (1 out of 30 graded in total)
Recent Sales:
Comments: Scarce! The 2004 that's been in the list lately has an auction starting price of $7000, so I don't think the price this seller is asking is reasonable. But, the door is open to make an offer, so I decided to list this coin because of that. Otherwise, the price is high enough that I would not have listed it. 70 coins require the right buyer. A patient seller can hold out for any price they want when they own the only known specimen in a 70 grade. If you have to have the best of the best, maybe consider putting out an offer around $7000.

2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $499.99 Buy-It-Now, or offer.
Mintage: 600000
Grade Stats: 20% earn this grade or better (586 out of 2834 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $331-$425
Comments:

2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $397 Buy-It-Now, or offer.
Mintage: 600000
Grade Stats: 20% earn this grade or better (586 out of 2834 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $331-$425
Comments:

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2005 1 oz silver Shanghai bank panda NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $1249.88 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 50000
Grade Stats: 19% earn this grade or better (29 out of 152 graded in total)
Recent Sales:
Comments: Rare in investment grade.

2006 1 oz silver Jinan bank panda NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $3950 Buy-It-Now.
Mintage: 20000
Grade Stats: 04% earn this grade or better (2 out of 44 graded in total)
Recent Sales:
Comments: Rare in investment grade. Could have spot problems in the future.

2006 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70

Sale Terms: $599.99 Buy-It-Now, or offer.
Mintage: 600000
Grade Stats: 11% earn this grade or better (137 out of 1208 graded in total)
Recent Sales: $380-$599
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