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« on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:43:04 am »



The article is broken up into separate posts - The coin investments list is at the end of the article

I did some looking around to figure out why some coins are going so cheaply on Ebay, while the same coin sells a few hours later for 3 times as much. It turns out that Ebay made some category changes recently that is causing coins to sell much cheaper than normal. I noticed this when it happened many weeks ago, but I just assumed it would cause prices to rise, not drop.

You see, the coins that were meant to go to the "China" category, are now being sent to the "Mixed lots" sub-category. Searches are experiencing the same thing. Many sellers have their coins set to list automatically, and they haven't updated their categories. People's Ebay alerts have not been updated either. All this adds up to buyers not finding the coins they're looking for, which means less competition for you if you want to buy coins cheaply.

Get on this buying tip as soon as you can, before everybody reads this article and hunts down all the incorrectly categorized coins. Seek out the auctions and the reduce-price relisted Buy-It-Now listings. Some coins that sold last week for thousands of dollars are still at auction with no bids!

Here is a link to a productive Ebay search for finding coins:

-(cash*,dy*,old*,mong*,tai*,singa*,maca*,tib*,plate*,colo*,fuki*) in the China category

I will be updating my helpful searches lists in the next article, but the above search should get you rolling for now. It covers all Chinese coin categories, including the new "Mixed Lots" category where almost everything is getting listed by mistake (thousands of coins), AND the new "PRC (1949-Now)" modern coins category where there's less than 600 correctly categorized coins.

When you see that situation reversed, and there are thousands of coins in the modern coins category, and only a few hundred in the mixed lots category, that's when you'll know this buying opportunity has passed.

In the 5 minutes before writing this, I made a ton of money buying up a few coins that nobody bid on because they were in the wrong category! There's far more still sitting there waiting for a buyer, and I do not have the time to even look at them all, let alone buy them all, so there's still plenty for you to find. Hurry quick, and have fun making lots of free money!

The Labor Day holiday just ended in the United States (and a few other places around the world). People are coming back with a busy season mindset. In other words, the Labor Day holiday marks the end of the slowdown, if there could be such a thing. People are back to work, have money, and thinking about buying stuff.

Near the end of September, we should see the resumption of inflationary monetary policies that will cause a rally in the economy, and a much-larger, exaggerated rally in hard asset investments like gold, silver, and coins. Tamo42's article from yesterday The Boom Times are Coming Back explains what's about to happen very nicely.

Another Pricepedia has been published, and this one is particularly helpful. It discusses a few other reasons why prices are about to rise in modern Chinese coins, that we HAVEN'T discussed yet in these articles. The info is detailed enough to give you an idea of which coins will rise the most, the soonest, so you can wisely choose the best coins to buy. There's a lot of VERY good investment grade coins available on the market right now, so your biggest problem isn't finding coins to buy, but instead deciding which coins to buy FIRST.

Tamo42 has trimmed down this list #86 to help you solve that problem a little better too, as he has described in his commentary below.
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« Reply #1 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:44:20 am »

It's been an interesting few weeks. The Labor Day holiday seemed to be a very slow time. And yet, major developments are afoot. Remember back when all those god of war & wealth coins were on the market, and I said that there was a temporary glut on the market? Yeah, well, they're all gone now. The *cheapest* one is about $1000 more than what you could have bought one for a few weeks ago.

The variety of coins on the market continues to increase. I trimmed this list down quite a bit, and it's still starting off at 16 pages. This is a good sign that people are becoming more interested in the Chinese coin market.

I've also noticed that sellers raising their prices after being listed here is becoming more and more common. So if you see a deal that you like, it might not be at that price very long.

Lastly, but most importantly, I am going to do my part to make sure only the best of the best get listed here. So rest assured that if it is here, then it's the best deal available.
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« Reply #2 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:44:26 am »

Table of contents


Not everything is in the table of contents, but all the important stuff is here.

* Opera web browser
* Coins sold from the previous list
* Chinese coins are better
* Register, read replies, get NOTIFICATIONS, access drafts
* Recommended reading
* Our choices
* Problem sellers
* NCS conserved
* 70 grade coins
* Proof pandas
* BU pandas
* Investment grade 1/2 oz silver pandas
* Investment grade large date and small date pandas
* Platinum and palladium pandas
* Other pandas and expo coins
* Lunar coins
* Other investment grade coins
* Helpful searches
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« Reply #3 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:44:32 am »

Opera web browser



I have found that the fastest web browser for loading these pages of coins is the Opera web browser. With other browsers, my fastest quad core computer slows down a lot on just one page. With Opera, I can load the whole thing up on my slowest computer, no problem. Get it now:

http://www.opera.com/browser/download/

There's also a handy "portable" version that does not require installation:

http://www.opera-usb.com/operausben.htm

Click on "Mainpage" to find versions in other languages besides English.
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« Reply #4 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:44:59 am »

Coins sold from the Modern Chinese coin investments LIST #85 article

1990 1/10 oz gold panda NCS NGC MS 69 - $550 - Blew previous auctions out of the water!


2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 - $763 - Ended up selling for more than the original Buy-It-Now price. Remember, sellers watch this list too. If you see a deal on something you like, it's probably in your best interest to act quickly!

2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 - $450 - A new high for this coin.

Coin Sold  Sale Price  Sale Type  Melt Ratio Ag oz price Au oz price
1980 10 g silver olympic wrestling PCGS PR 69 DCAM$355auction27.08.690.19
1982 1/4 oz gold panda NGC MS 69$763auction1.6818.60.42
1986 1/2 oz gold panda NCS NGC MS 69$1050auction1.1525.70.57
1986 24 g silver Empress of China NGC MS 69$86.01auction2.732.100.04
1986 24 g silver Empress of China PCGS MS 69$115.38auction3.662.820.06
1987 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$734auction17.917.90.40
1987 P 1 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$2290auction1.2656.11.26
1987 S 1/10 oz gold panda NCS NGC MS 69$255auction1.406.240.14
1987 Y 1/10 oz gold panda NSC NGC MS 69$249.38auction1.376.110.13
1989 1 oz silver lunar snake NGC PF 69 UC$1450auction35.535.50.80
1989 1/20 oz gold panda NSC NGC MS 69$141.18auction1.553.450.07
1989 3.3 oz silver god of war & wealth super clear claw NGC PF 69 UC$1600offer11.839.20.88
1990 1/10 oz gold panda NCS NGC MS 69$550auction3.0313.40.30
1990 1/10 oz platinum proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$765auction4.2118.70.42
1990 1/10 oz platinum proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$770aHuh?18.80.42
1990 1/2 oz platinum proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$2700auction2.9766.11.48
1990 1/4 oz platinum proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$1400auction3.0834.30.77
1991 1/20 oz gold panda PCGS MS 69$550Buy-It-Now6.0713.40.30
1991 8 g gold lunar goat NGC PF 69 UC$1250auction2.6830.60.68
1992 P 1 oz silver proof panda frosted leaf NGC PF 69 UC$515auction12.612.60.28
1993 30 g silver olympic fencing PCGS PR 69 DCAM$150auction3.813.670.08
1994 1/4 oz gold 1/8 oz silver bimetallic proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$2925auction6.3871.61.61
1994 27 g silver olympic boxing NGC PF 69 UC$150auction4.233.670.08
1994 P 1/4 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$1550auction3.4237.90.85
1995 1 oz silver panda large twig NGC MS 69$135.83auction3.323.320.07
1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC$668auction16.316.30.36
1995 1/2 oz gold UN 50th anniversary NGC PF 69 UC$1400auction1.5434.30.77
1995 22 g silver Chinese traditional culture peking opera NGC PF 69 UC$200Buy-It-Now6.924.900.11
1996 1 oz silver panda small date PCGS MS 69$209.99Buy-It-Now5.145.140.11
1996 1/2 oz gold panda large date NGC MS 69$2762.5offer3.0467.61.52
1997 1 oz gold panda large date NGC MS 69$2681auction1.4765.61.47
1997 1 oz silver lunar ox NGC PF 69 UC$495offer12.112.10.27
1997 1 oz silver unicorn NGC MS 69$338auction8.288.280.18
1998 1 oz gold large date panda NGC MS 69$5950auction145.145.3.28
1998 1 oz silver panda small date NGC MS 69$268auction6.566.560.14
1999 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NGC PF 69 UC$316auction7.747.740.17
1999 1 oz silver panda large date plain 1 NGC MS 69$576auction14.114.10.31
2000 1 oz silver panda frosted NGC MS 69$539Buy-It-Now13.213.20.29
2000 1 oz silver panda mirror NGC MS 69$1776auction43.543.50.98
2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69$173.5auction4.254.250.09
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70$763auction18.618.60.42
2005 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NGC MS 69$200.58auction4.914.910.11
2006 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70$416auction10.110.10.22
2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70$450offer11.011.00.24
2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70$450offer11.011.00.24
2009 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70$255auction6.246.240.14
2010 1 oz gold panda PCGS MS 70$2699auction1.4866.11.48
2010 1 oz silver capital market panda NGC MS 69$162.5auction3.983.980.08
2010 1 oz silver Shanghai mint panda NGC MS 69$183.5auction4.494.490.10
Total 49 coins:$46432.351137 oz25.6 oz
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« Reply #5 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:45:57 am »

Chinese coins are better





* Fidelity Overseas Fund (FOSFX)
* NASDAQ Average
* Brazilian Stock Index (BVSP)
* Crude Oil
* Gold
* Silver
* Chinese coins

This information comes from http://www.pandacollector.com/
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« Reply #6 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:46:02 am »

Sell your coins on LBC or CCF forums



The Chinese coin marketplace on LBC is a topic started by groovemachine for selling coins amongst LBC members. It's been around for a while now, and seems to be getting interesting, so I figured I would mention it here. Ebay is by far the best place to buy and sell coins, but sometimes it's interesting to see what's been posted over there.

There's also a similar place at the CCF
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« Reply #7 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:46:06 am »

Register, read replies, get NOTIFICATIONS, access drafts



Always come back to check the replies on these articles. That's where most of the good stuff is! Register on the forums and click the "NOTIFY" button on this article to receive email notifications of new replies that may make some easy money for the first person to read it. Many of the best coins only last for a few minutes or seconds before somebody grabs them. If you get notified of replies, you'll be able to see anything new that I list right when I list it. You'll also stay informed of the hot topics, and see what other people are talking about buying.

Also, once you're registered on the forums, you can access the drafts forum where I post stuff I'm working on. Having access to my drafts lets you see the good stuff before anybody else - sometimes only minutes before, and sometimes more than a week before! You'll have valuable advanced information before the rest of the market gets it! Of course, you MUST click on the "NOTIFY" button for the drafts forum if you want to receive an instant notification that a draft has been posted.

Hint: Once you see the first draft, click the "NOTIFY" button for the draft. When my draft is almost ready for publishing, I break up the post into replies that follow the first post of the draft. You'll get a notification that a reply has been posted, and that will tell you the draft is almost done. A near-finished draft with the replies will contain more, better info than the first draft notification, so that's the good info you want to see.

Finally, you'll want to stay up-to-date on my postings, so click the "NOTIFY" button on my blog forum. You may want to take a look there from time to time, especially to read my older postings that are packed with valuable money-making information. If you're wondering if I'm worth listening to, you can see a list of my articles sorted by date. Check out the older ones to see my track record at predicting the markets. It's impressive, if I do say so myself. No one on the planet as a track record like mine. You can trust my predictions, they're always right!
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« Reply #8 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:46:10 am »

NCS and NGC need to help buyers find conserved coins for long term investment



I've talked a lot about NCS conservation of silver coins, especially the ones with the highest grades that were graded in the past. Coins that were not conserved before grading could degrade over time as invisible residues corrode their surfaces. That could make your investments virtually worthless!

There are nuances to which coins are worrisome, and which aren't, so I've recommended coins that look good despite not knowing whether they've been conserved or not. For example, an old silver coin that still looks good after many years is probably OK, and a newer panda that came from modern PVC-free packaging is probably OK too. But, the only way to know for sure is to only buy coins that have been conserved before grading.

Sadly, NCS and NGC continue to refuse to indicate on the holders if a coin has been conserved, even if requested. I have begged them to let me buy coins that I know will not become hunks of scrap metal over time, and they won't listen to me - just one person - but they will listen to the market as a whole. That means you. Everyone needs to contact NCS and tell them you want to buy coins that you know have been conserved. Tell them that you want to buy coins that NGC marks as conserved on their holders. Here's the person to contact:

Craig Fiumara
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Phone 866-627-2646  Ext. 145
Fax 941-360-2559
CraigF@NCScoin.com

Once we persuade them that we want to know that our coins are safe, they will obey our demands and start marking the conserved coins. Only then can we be reasonably certain (but never 100%) that our investments will not become worthless over time.
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« Reply #9 on: 2011 Sep 07, 08:46:15 am »

NCS conserved certificates?



What if NCS started selling certificates that said that a coin had been conserved? Would you want one for each of your coins, so you could prove to a buyer that your coins are professionally conserved? It's been impossible so far to persuade NCS and NGC to start labeling conserved coins. But, they may be willing to produce certificates, especially if it earns them a little extra money.

Prices earned by sellers have been significantly better for the coins they advertise as NCS conserved. When buyers have a choice between 2 coins, one that's cheaper, but not NCS conserved, and one that's significantly more expensive, but has been NCS conserved, the buyers almost always choose the NCS coins first. Once those are gone, then the unconserved coins start selling again.

Many of the sellers are able to provide paperwork to show that a coin has been conserved, and the seller's reputation leads to buyers trusting sellers when they say the coins are conserved. But what about the buyer when it comes time to sell? It would be very helpful if they had a certificate from NCS that says for certain that a coin has been conserved. It would add value to the coins when they initially sell from a dealer, and it will also make it easier for the buyer to sell later too.

Further down in this article is Craig Fiumara's contact information at NCS. It would be helpful to make this possibility a reality if you told him you'd like to buy conservation certificates for your coins.
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