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« on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:33:11 pm »



The article is broken up into separate posts - The coin investments list is at the end of the article


Can you believe it? This list is #70. If it were a coin grade, it would be perfect!

A lot of very nice coins have been selling on the market for bargain prices, so the slowdown is definitely not over. However, I continue to get a strong sense that we've passed the peak of the slowdown, and these bargains are gradually being taken off the market. There are quite few VERY rare coins that are selling for peanuts.

Interest in medals remains strong in the West, and weaker in the East. This is causing medals to flow to the West, since Western buyers are willing to pay more for them. I anticipate that China will notice their valuable coins leaving, and will react by competitively bidding to return them to China. The West is almost always ahead of China in appreciation for China's numismatics, and this imbalance signals a buying opportunity. When the imbalance corrects itself, Western owners of medals will be taking nice profits when they sell to Chinese buyers.

70 grade coins are coming available at prices I would have expected from last year. These coins have incredible power to surge to shocking heights unexpectedly. One of them, a 1990 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 70 sold for $5200 with an offer. I was asked if that price is too much for that coin. Well, it's on the higher end of the spectrum of prices paid, but I am 100% sure that it will be viewed as a bargain price sometime in the next 2 years.

Does that mean $5200 was too much to pay for that coin today? This is where it gets interesting - the answer is "No". That was not too much to pay simply because it's one of those coins that are worth overpaying for. The best investments coins cost whatever the owner asks for them! This is why you need to buy the best of the best, if you can. That coin may have struggled to get $500 at auction only 1 or 2 years ago. Now, we know there's some crazy fool out there that's making tons of money by ignoring everyone's opinion that the coin cost to much.

I have never regretted "overpaying" for a rare coin. Even in a slowdown, the best coins are still setting record prices. Those are the kinds of coins you want to own. When it comes time to sell, as long as you have the patience to wait for the right buyer, you will get your price.


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Not everything is in the table of contents, but all the important stuff is here.

* Opera web browser
* Coins sold from the previous list
* Chinese coins are better
* Register, read replies, get NOTIFICATIONS, access drafts
* Recommended reading
* My choices
* Problem sellers
* NCS conserved
* 70 grade coins
* Proof pandas
* BU pandas
* Investment grade 1/2 oz silver pandas
* Investment grade large date and small date pandas
* Platinum and palladium pandas
* Other pandas and expo coins
* Lunar coins
* Other investment grade coins
* Helpful searches
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« Reply #1 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:47:48 pm »

Opera web browser



I have found that the fastest web browser for loading these pages of coins is the Opera web browser. With other browsers, my fastest quad core computer slows down a lot on just one page. With Opera, I can load the whole thing up on my slowest computer, no problem. Get it now:

http://www.opera.com/browser/download/

There's also a handy "portable" version that does not require installation:

http://www.opera-usb.com/operausben.htm

Click on "Mainpage" to find versions in other languages besides English.
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« Reply #2 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:48:06 pm »

Coins sold from the Modern Chinese coin investments LIST #69 article

2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70  $970 auction. The 2002 continues to be popular, and this MS 70 is no exception. With MS 69s selling around the $200 mark, this sale is at the high end of the 3-5x multiplier range.


2002 1 oz silver fan lunar horse NGC MS 69  $1000 auction. The horse continues to be a very popular lunar animal.


2005 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NCS NGC MS 69  $375 Buy-It-Now. This 2005 Beijing expo sold for over $100 more than other non-conserved specimens. It looks like some people really do understand how important conservation is to coins (especially silver ones).

2008 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70  $388.88 offer.
2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70  $407.77 offer.
2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70  $450 offer.
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70  $970 auction.
1992 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 70  $2400 offer.
1990 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 70  $5200 offer.
1995 1 oz silver olympic handball NCS NGC PF 70 UC  $388 Buy-It-Now.
1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC  $570 offer.
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC  $899 offer.
1987 5 oz silver proof panda NCS NGC PF 69 UC  $888 Buy-It-Now.
2000 1 oz silver mirror panda NGC MS 69  $2250 offer.
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69  $224.50 auction.
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69  $224.50 auction.
1992 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $307 auction.
1993 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $512 auction.
1998 1 oz silver small date panda NGC MS 69  $304 auction.
1998 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $561.15 auction.
1999 1 oz silver small date panda NGC MS 69  $300 auction.
1993 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $475 auction.
2000 1 oz silver frosted panda NGC MS 69  $596 auction.
1990 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $134.58 auction.
2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69  $200.05 auction.
1992 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $350 Buy-It-Now.
1996 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $199 Buy-It-Now.
1998 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NCS NGC MS 69  $675 Buy-It-Now.
1999 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NCS NGC MS 69  $599 Buy-It-Now.
2005 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NCS NGC MS 69  $375 Buy-It-Now.
2005 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NGC MS 69  $205.45 auction.
2005 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NGC MS 69  $201.50 auction.
2005 1 oz silver Beijing expo panda NGC MS 69  $241.50 auction.
1986 22 g silver WWF panda NCS NGC MS 69  $288 Buy-It-Now.
1997 1 oz silver lunar ox NGC PF 69 UC  $999 Buy-It-Now.
2002 1 oz silver fan lunar horse NGC MS 69  $1000 auction.
1996 1 oz silver unicorn proof NGC PF 69 UC  $459 auction.
1989 22 g silver Chinese historical figures Kublai Khan NGC PF 69 UC  $354 auction.
1984 22 g outstanding historical figures military officer NGC PF 69 UC  $102.52 auction.
1996 1 oz silver return of Hong Kong NGC PF 69 UC  $104.41 auction.
1997 1 oz silver unicorn NGC MS 69  $108.50 auction
1996 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $199.99 Buy-It-Now.
2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70  $345.41 auction.
1994 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $183.51 auction.
1991 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69  $371 auction.
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« Reply #3 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:48:31 pm »

Chinese coins are better







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« Reply #4 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:48:46 pm »

Sell your coins on LBC or CCF forums



The Chinese coin marketplace on LBC is a topic started by groovemachine for selling coins amongst LBC members. It's been around for a while now, and seems to be getting interesting, so I figured I would mention it here. Ebay is by far the best place to buy and sell coins, but sometimes it's interesting to see what's been posted over there.

There's also a similar place at the CCF
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« Reply #5 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:49:03 pm »

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Always come back to check the replies on these articles. That's where most of the good stuff is! Register on the forums and click the "NOTIFY" button on this article to receive email notifications of new replies that may make some easy money for the first person to read it. Many of the best coins only last for a few minutes or seconds before somebody grabs them. If you get notified of replies, you'll be able to see anything new that I list right when I list it. You'll also stay informed of the hot topics, and see what other people are talking about buying.

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« Reply #6 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:49:20 pm »

NCS and NGC need to help buyers find conserved coins for long term investment



I've talked a lot about NCS conservation of silver coins, especially the ones with the highest grades that were graded in the past. Coins that were not conserved before grading could degrade over time as invisible residues corrode their surfaces. That could make your investments virtually worthless!

There are nuances to which coins are worrisome, and which aren't, so I've recommended coins that look good despite not knowing whether they've been conserved or not. For example, an old silver coin that still looks good after many years is probably OK, and a newer panda that came from modern PVC-free packaging is probably OK too. But, the only way to know for sure is to only buy coins that have been conserved before grading.

Sadly, NCS and NGC continue to refuse to indicate on the holders if a coin has been conserved, even if requested. I have begged them to let me buy coins that I know will not become hunks of scrap metal over time, and they won't listen to me - just one person - but they will listen to the market as a whole. That means you. Everyone needs to contact NCS and tell them you want to buy coins that you know have been conserved. Tell them that you want to buy coins that NGC marks as conserved on their holders. Here's the person to contact:

Craig Fiumara
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Operations Manager
Phone 866-627-2646  Ext. 145
Fax 941-360-2559
CraigF@NCScoin.com

Once we persuade them that we want to know that our coins are safe, they will obey our demands and start marking the conserved coins. Only then can we be reasonably certain (but never 100%) that our investments will not become worthless over time.
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« Reply #7 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:49:35 pm »

NCS conserved certificates?



What if NCS started selling certificates that said that a coin had been conserved? Would you want one for each of your coins, so you could prove to a buyer that your coins are professionally conserved? It's been impossible so far to persuade NCS and NGC to start labeling conserved coins. But, they may be willing to produce certificates, especially if it earns them a little extra money.

Prices earned by sellers have been significantly better for the coins they advertise as NCS conserved. When buyers have a choice between 2 coins, one that's cheaper, but not NCS conserved, and one that's significantly more expensive, but has been NCS conserved, the buyers almost always choose the NCS coins first. Once those are gone, then the unconserved coins start selling again.

Many of the sellers are able to provide paperwork to show that a coin has been conserved, and the seller's reputation leads to buyers trusting sellers when they say the coins are conserved. But what about the buyer when it comes time to sell? It would be very helpful if they had a certificate from NCS that says for certain that a coin has been conserved. It would add value to the coins when they initially sell from a dealer, and it will also make it easier for the buyer to sell later too.

Further down in this article is Craig Fiumara's contact information at NCS. It would be helpful to make this possibility a reality if you told him you'd like to buy conservation certificates for your coins.
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« Reply #8 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:50:01 pm »

Recommended reading



Here's some recent articles of mine that can provide some guidance for investing in the current and coming market conditions:

* LBC makes me rich
* Wealth preservation: USA vs. China (By Zerosum)
* Coins are the hot new investment
* How high will the Chinese coin market go?
* 5 criteria to determine if a coin is a good investment
* 13 coin facts to learn for beginning investors of modern Chinese coins
* For those new to the modern Chinese coin market (By Batman)
* My First Chinese Panda Coin Purchase (By Tamo42)
* Modern Chinese coin investment strategy
* Black Swans, Fake Chinese coins, badon, & ebay! (By r3globe)
* Don't be the "whale" that pays too much for an investment coin
* Modern Chinese coin commentary and market predictions - 2010-Dec-15
* What makes people buy up all the Chinese panda coins?
* Investing in rare modern Chinese coins, some questions answered
* Cash is king for 2011 - Get ready for the coming bargain hunt
* Foresight: Gold, silver, coins, etc will weaken after January or February 2011
* Rumor: Modern Chinese coin charts coming out soon
* Why does this business site talk so much about investments?
* The chess game of rich vs. poor
* Why You Should Collect (or Invest) in Gold Panda Fractional BUs (By Batman)

Here's some handy websites for basic coin facts like mintages:

* Modern China Coins Data sorted by series
* china-mint.info Data sorted by year
* china-mint.info silver actual mintages
* china-mint.info gold actual mintages
* Chinese Coin Forum
* The Coin Compendium is coming!

Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide Book

This is THE panda book, written by the world's foremost expert on Chinese panda coins. Buy the book before the coin. Enough said.

Pricepedia modern Chinese coin price guide with bonus using "LBC" referral code

$68.88 Buy-It-Now.

In addition to the book you can subscribe to the PricePedia, which gives up-to-date monthly pricing information on over 700 different coins, as well as a few pointers on what's hot or undervalued in the market. If you send a message to the author mentioning LBC for the referral code, you get a bonus list of undervalued coins, along with your subscription.
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« Reply #9 on: 2011 Jul 13, 12:50:16 pm »

My choices



* Medals, they are being overlooked in China, and are bargain priced right now.
* Lunars, all of them
* All kinds of dragons
* Pandas, all of them - yes, ALLLL of them (except the exceptionally unexciting exceptions like the high mintage 2010 and 2011 1 oz silver and gold)
* 1989 3.3 oz silver god of war & wealth clear claw, when selling too cheaply in a 69 grade.
* Coins in a 70 grade
* All unrecognized varieties
* All expo coins, including coins that do not have pandas on them
* Painting, literature, and all other kinds of art-themed coins
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