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« on: 2011 Jun 24, 06:07:42 PM »



The article is broken up into separate posts - The coin investments list is at the end of the article

The slowdown is beginning to peak right now. The best bargains you will find until next year are going by on Ebay right now. Many coins are available, and are cheap, coming from eager sellers looking to raise cash for their own buying spree. If you're sitting on the sidelines, you will regret it as the market begins to gradually speed up. There are no overpriced coins in my opinion - there are only undervalued, very undervalued, and dirt cheap coins.

Even during the slowdown some coins are already heating up. The main flagship products of the China mint, pandas and lunars, are already looking ripe for profits. Many impressive coins are available on the market right now, and the pricing on them is not what makes them special. The best coins are still at near record prices, so that's not so great - what's great is that they are AVAILABLE. The time to buy a great investment coin is when someone is willing to sell you one!

1995 1 oz gold proof pandas, 2000 mirrors, and 1998 large dates are all available AT THE SAME TIME. When was the last time you saw all those great coins being offered simultaneously? Seriously folks, if you're sitting on cash, don't worry too much about the price, just buy what you can, while you can.

Also, the American economy is about to take a dump, and you don't want to be stuck sinking in that, so make sure you've got your finances arranged such that you can weather hard times. Remember, hard times are all about positioning, not profits, because everyone hurts during hard times, even us rich folks. You will make your profits later, after fearlessly staking out your position during the darkest hours, confidently, during the worst of times.

You need to make sure you've got the basics taken care of, namely food, so you don't end up in a desperate situation like most other people will. If you get caught without the basic necessities of life, no amount of wealth and riches will keep you from going hungry - you'll end up trading a pile of gold for a sack of potatoes. It costs less than $2000 for a year's supply of food for one person in the USA right now, but that could change at any time, in a variety of ways, for many possible reasons.

Paper profits are nice, but paper losses are even better. Realized profits are also nice, but realized losses are acutely miserable. Don't get into a situation where you are forced to sell your accumulated assets. Buy the book before the coin, and buy the beans before the book. I'm hoping things don't get that bad. If they do get that bad, it'll be crappy for all of us. On the other hand, by being prepared when nothing happens, you can just eat my beans like you would normally anyway. There's nothing to lose by being prepared.
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« Reply #1 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:17:21 PM »

Table of contents

Not everything is in the table of contents, but all the important stuff is here.

* Coins sold from the previous list
* Register, read replies, get NOTIFICATIONS, access drafts
* Recommended reading
* My choices
* Problem sellers
* NCS conserved
* 70 grade coins
* Proof pandas
* BU pandas
* Investment grade 1/2 oz silver pandas
* Investment grade large date and small date pandas
* Platinum and palladium pandas
* Other pandas and expo coins
* Lunar coins
* Other investment grade coins
* Helpful searches
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« Reply #2 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:17:29 PM »

Opera web browser

I have found that the fastest web browser for loading these pages of coins is the Opera web browser. With other browsers, my fastest quad core computer slows down a lot on just one page. With Opera, I can load the whole thing up on my slowest computer, no problem. Get it now:

http://www.opera.com/browser/download/

There's also a handy "portable" version that does not require installation:

http://www.opera-usb.com/operausben.htm

Click on "Mainpage" to find versions in other languages besides English.
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« Reply #3 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:17:43 PM »

Coins sold from the Modern Chinese coin investments LIST #66 article

2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 sold for $335 Buy-It-Now, which is cheaper than the $400 to $500 pricing it would usually sell for. Good snag for whoever got this right after I posted it. It only lasted a few minutes!

Small size gold proof pandas are selling very well. They're just as rare as the more expensive, larger size versions, but available much more cheaply. Also, there were probably fewer of the small size coins that survived in investment grade. Someone out there knows this, and seems to be buying them up. Coins priced $300 to $450 are selling quickly. Many of them are selling before I get a chance to put them in my list.

1992 1/10 oz gold Sino Japanese friendship NGC PF 69 UC sold for $849.99 Buy-It-now. Ever since KonaJim mentioned the probable rarity of these coins due to lingering ill-will that's still around after the WWII era Japanese invasion (and previous wars against Japanese invasions!), they have been selling almost as quickly as they are offered.

1994 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC sold for $800 at auction. This prices is a few hundred dollars cheaper than what this coin normally sells for, even in a slow down. Good job to whoever got that coin for such a great price. It's the key 1 oz silver proof panda, not including varieties.

2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 sold for $255 at auction, which is quite cheap compared to the more expensive and more common 2002 pandas selling for nearly $300.

1995 15 g silver invention & discovery ancient Chinese coins NGC PF 69 UC sold for $355 at auction, which is a very strong price for this coin during the slowdown.

1998 1/10 oz gold dragon culture NGC PF 69 UC sold for $1276 at auction. The power of popularity is doing its thing for this coin. It used to be hard to sell for $100 to $200. Now, everybody wants one, and there aren't enough of them!



1986 1/10 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $415 Buy-It-Now.
2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 $335 Buy-It-Now.
1990 1/10 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $398 Buy-It-Now.
1992 1/10 oz gold Sino Japanese friendship NGC PF 69 UC $849.99 Buy-It-now.
1988 1/20 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $298 Buy-It-Now.
1994 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $800 auction.
1996 1 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $13,100 auction.
2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 $255 auction.
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 $280.22 auction.
1989 1 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC $5211 auction.
2004 1/2 oz palladium panda ANACS PF 69 DCAM $609 auction.
1987 1 oz gold San Francisco expo panda NGC PF 69 UC $2850 auction.
1987 1 oz gold New Orleans expo panda NGC PF 69 UC $2345 auction. Problem seller.
1987 1 oz gold New Orleans expo panda NGC PF 69 UC $2245 auction.
1982 15 g silver lunar dog NGC PF 69 UC $2550 auction.
1984 15 g silver lunar rat NGC PF 69 UC $1075 auction.
1987 8 g gold lunar rabbit NGC PF 69 UC $2027.99 auction.
1989 1 oz silver lunar snake NGC PF 69 UC $740 auction.
1991 8 g gold lunar goat NGC PF 69 UC $1299.99 Buy-It-Now.
1991 8 g lunar goat NGC PF 69 UC $1325 auction.
1992 15 g silver lunar monkey NGC PF 69 UC $1021.01 auction.
1996 2/3 oz silver scallop flower lunar rat NGC PF 69 UC $710 auction.
1998 2/3 oz silver scallop flower lunar tiger NGC PF 69 UC $700 offer.
1979 1/2 oz gold year of the child NGC PF 69 CA $3250 auction.
1989 1/3 oz gold children's fund NGC PF 69 UC $1830.88 auction.
1989 1/3 oz gold Chinese historical figures Ghengis Khan NGC PF 69 UC $1653 auction.
1994 1 oz unicorn NGC MS 69 $187.68 auction.
1995 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC $961 auction.
1995 15 g silver invention & discovery fu lu shu NGC PF 69 UC $190.50 auction.
1995 15 g silver invention & discovery ancient Chinese coins NGC PF 69 UC $355 auction.
1996 1/3 oz gold silk road water vendor NGC PF 69 UC $1550 auction.
1998 1/10 oz gold dragon culture NGC PF 69 UC $1276 auction.
1998 1 oz silver vault protector NGC MS 69 $321.99 auction.
2009 1 oz silver PRC 60th anniversary NGC PF 69 UC $181.50 auction.
2010 1 oz silver Peking opera Zhong Kui NGC PF 69 UC $268 auction.
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« Reply #4 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:17:51 PM »

Chinese coins are better





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* Chinese coins

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« Reply #5 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:18:03 PM »

Sell your coins on LBC or CCF forums

The Chinese coin marketplace on LBC is a topic started by groovemachine for selling coins amongst LBC members. It's been around for a while now, and seems to be getting interesting, so I figured I would mention it here. Ebay is by far the best place to buy and sell coins, but sometimes it's interesting to see what's been posted over there.

There's also a similar place at the CCF
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« Reply #6 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:18:12 PM »

Register, read replies, get NOTIFICATIONS, access drafts

Always come back to check the replies on these articles. That's where most of the good stuff is! Register on the forums and click the "NOTIFY" button on this article to receive email notifications of new replies that may make some easy money for the first person to read it. Many of the best coins only last for a few minutes or seconds before somebody grabs them. If you get notified of replies, you'll be able to see anything new that I list right when I list it. You'll also stay informed of the hot topics, and see what other people are talking about buying.

Also, once you're registered on the forums, you can access the drafts forum where I post stuff I'm working on. Having access to my drafts lets you see the good stuff before anybody else - sometimes only minutes before, and sometimes more than a week before! You'll have valuable advanced information before the rest of the market gets it! Of course, you MUST click on the "NOTIFY" button for the drafts forum if you want to receive an instant notification that a draft has been posted.

Hint: Once you see the first draft, click the "NOTIFY" button for the draft. When my draft is almost ready for publishing, I break up the post into replies that follow the first post of the draft. You'll get a notification that a reply has been posted, and that will tell you the draft is almost done. A near-finished draft with the replies will contain more, better info than the first draft notification, so that's the good info you want to see.

Finally, you'll want to stay up-to-date on my postings, so click the "NOTIFY" button on my blog forum. You may want to take a look there from time to time, especially to read my older postings that are packed with valuable money-making information. If you're wondering if I'm worth listening to, you can see a list of my articles sorted by date. Check out the older ones to see my track record at predicting the markets. It's impressive, if I do say so myself. No one on the planet as a track record like mine. You can trust my predictions, they're always right!
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« Reply #7 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:18:21 PM »

NCS and NGC need to help buyers find conserved coins for long term investment

I've talked a lot about NCS conservation of silver coins, especially the ones with the highest grades that were graded in the past. Coins that were not conserved before grading could degrade over time as invisible residues corrode their surfaces. That could make your investments virtually worthless!

There are nuances to which coins are worrisome, and which aren't, so I've recommended coins that look good despite not knowing whether they've been conserved or not. For example, an old silver coin that still looks good after many years is probably OK, and a newer panda that came from modern PVC-free packaging is probably OK too. But, the only way to know for sure is to only buy coins that have been conserved before grading.

Sadly, NCS and NGC continue to refuse to indicate on the holders if a coin has been conserved, even if requested. I have begged them to let me buy coins that I know will not become hunks of scrap metal over time, and they won't listen to me - just one person - but they will listen to the market as a whole. That means you. Everyone needs to contact NCS and tell them you want to buy coins that you know have been conserved. Tell them that you want to buy coins that NGC marks as conserved on their holders. Here's the person to contact:

Craig Fiumara
Numismatic Conservation Services
Operations Manager
Phone 866-627-2646  Ext. 145
Fax 941-360-2559
CraigF@NCScoin.com

Once we persuade them that we want to know that our coins are safe, they will obey our demands and start marking the conserved coins. Only then can we be reasonably certain (but never 100%) that our investments will not become worthless over time.

NCS conserved certificates?

What if NCS started selling certificates that said that a coin had been conserved? Would you want one for each of your coins, so you could prove to a buyer that your coins are professionally conserved? It's been impossible so far to persuade NCS and NGC to start labeling conserved coins. But, they may be willing to produce certificates, especially if it earns them a little extra money.

Prices earned by sellers have been significantly better for the coins they advertise as NCS conserved. When buyers have a choice between 2 coins, one that's cheaper, but not NCS conserved, and one that's significantly more expensive, but has been NCS conserved, the buyers almost always choose the NCS coins first. Once those are gone, then the unconserved coins start selling again.

Many of the sellers are able to provide paperwork to show that a coin has been conserved, and the seller's reputation leads to buyers trusting sellers when they say the coins are conserved. But what about the buyer when it comes time to sell? It would be very helpful if they had a certificate from NCS that says for certain that a coin has been conserved. It would add value to the coins when they initially sell from a dealer, and it will also make it easier for the buyer to sell later too.

Further down in this article is Craig Fiumara's contact information at NCS. It would be helpful to make this possibility a reality if you told him you'd like to buy conservation certificates for your coins.
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« Reply #8 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:18:34 PM »

Recommended reading

Here's some recent articles of mine that can provide some guidance for investing in the current and coming market conditions:

* LBC makes me rich
* Wealth preservation: USA vs. China (By Zerosum)
* Coins are the hot new investment
* How high will the Chinese coin market go?
* 5 criteria to determine if a coin is a good investment
* 13 coin facts to learn for beginning investors of modern Chinese coins
* For those new to the modern Chinese coin market (By Batman)
* My First Chinese Panda Coin Purchase (By Tamo42)
* Modern Chinese coin investment strategy
* Black Swans, Fake Chinese coins, badon, & ebay! (By r3globe)
* Don't be the "whale" that pays too much for an investment coin
* Modern Chinese coin commentary and market predictions - 2010-Dec-15
* What makes people buy up all the Chinese panda coins?
* Investing in rare modern Chinese coins, some questions answered
* Cash is king for 2011 - Get ready for the coming bargain hunt
* Foresight: Gold, silver, coins, etc will weaken after January or February 2011
* Rumor: Modern Chinese coin charts coming out soon
* Why does this business site talk so much about investments?
* The chess game of rich vs. poor

Here's some handy websites for basic coin facts like mintages:

* Modern China Coins Data sorted by series
* china-mint.info Data sorted by year
* china-mint.info silver actual mintages
* china-mint.info gold actual mintages
* Chinese Coin Forum
* The Coin Compendium is coming!

Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide Book

This is THE panda book, written by the world's foremost expert on Chinese panda coins. Buy the book before the coin. Enough said.

Pricepedia modern Chinese coin price guide with bonus using "LBC" referral code

$68.88 Buy-It-Now.

In addition to the book you can subscribe to the PricePedia, which gives up-to-date monthly pricing information on over 700 different coins, as well as a few pointers on what's hot or undervalued in the market. If you send a message to the author mentioning LBC for the referral code, you get a bonus list of undervalued coins, along with your subscription.
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« Reply #9 on: 2011 Jun 24, 10:22:14 PM »

My choices

* Lunars, all of them
* All kinds of dragons
* Pandas, all of them - yes, ALLLL of them (except the exceptionally unexciting exceptions like the high mintage 2010 and 2011 1 oz silver and gold)
* 1989 3.3 oz silver god of war & wealth clear claw, when selling too cheaply in a 69 grade.
* Coins in a 70 grade
* All unrecognized varieties
* All expo coins, including coins that do not have pandas on them
* Painting, literature, and all other kinds of art-themed coins
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