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« on: 2011 May 26, 11:10:27 am »



The article is broken up into separate posts - The coin investments list is at the end of the article

Buying activity looks less and less like a slowdown. The slowdown is not over, however, as evidenced by the occasional bargain that gets sold, or the unsold coins that are not NCS conserved. Buying activity is very strong for the best coins, in 69 grade or higher, that is NCS conserved, while it is strong or muted for everything else. I see no signs of weakness at all, in any area of the market. Even low grade coins are doing well.

Contrast that with the lack of confidence in the precious metals market. Coins have a life of their own, and prices remain strong even precious metals make a big drop. This is very exciting. Buying time is now, during the slowdown. Accumulate nice coins while you can, especially when there's so many bargains. It is uncommon for investment grade coins to sell at bargain prices, but there are a few that go out cheap sometimes. There are some in this list!

Usually you have to pay big money to get the best coins. That's still true, but mostly for the best of the best.

70 coins are crazy hot. This is the hottest I've ever seen them, and it's during a slowdown!

Quality matters. Chinese people are demanding the nicest coins for their money. Europe is still in the dark ages though, but many Europeans are breaking the pattern and doing things their own way, while the old timers keep spitting on their coins.

The list is getting huge, as more coins become good investments. Not much is being completely overlooked anymore, but there's still a few coins that are. In particular, many coins are still very cheap and underpriced. Well, everything is underpriced, as you will see when we get to the cooler months.

I've changed a forum setting so only 10 posts will be shown per page instead of 15. That means that instead of a maximum of 45 coins per page, there will be only 30. That should help speed things up a little more. Let me know if that works better for you.


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« Reply #1 on: 2011 May 26, 02:34:25 pm »

Table of contents

Not everything is in the table of contents, but all the important stuff is here.

* Recommended reading
* My choices
* NCS conserved
* 70 grade coins
* Proof pandas
* Rare BU pandas
* Investment grade 1/2 oz silver pandas
* Investment grade large date and small date pandas
* Platinum and palladium pandas
* Other pandas and expo coins
* Lunar coins
* Other investment grade coins
* Helpful searches
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« Reply #2 on: 2011 May 26, 02:34:56 pm »

Coins sold from the Modern Chinese coin investments LIST #62 article

1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC sold cheap for $885 Buy-It-Now.

1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC sold for $500 Buy-It-Now, which is a big price. Another coin was available for $450, but did not sell, or is no longer available.

1997 22 g silver Chinese traditional culture Bao He Palace NCS NGC PF 70 UC sold within minutes for $388 Buy-It-Now. This is one I wish I had grabbed, but I figured I would let someone else at LBC get it.

1994 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 70 UC sold for a monster price of $2225.01 at auction.

1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC NOT NCS consered, sold for $304.99 auction while an NCS conserved 1989 1 oz silver proof panda NCS NGC PF 69 UC sold for $490 Buy-It-Now. That's a spread of almost $200 for NCS vs. non-NCS combined. People really want NCS conserved coins, and they'll pay top-dollar for them, but they expect a bargain at auction for non-NCS conserved coins. There's another non-NCS conserved coin on a Buy-It-Now for $415 that is still unsold, so I'm sure the difference is in the NCS conserved status of the coin, not in the slowdown-bargain-at-auction effect. If this weren't a slowdown, I think the $415 coin would have sold.

70 graded coins have been selling very strongly. It seems like the NCS conserved coins and 70 coins are where all the action is. There is a strong movement towards quality right now.

Auctions are frequently bringing high prices, when normally they're weak during a slowdown.

1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 69 sold for $151 auction, while the coin has been getting listed for around $130 to $140 in Buy-It-Now listings. I think the Buy-It-Now listings have been too low. The demand for this coin is very high, and getting higher. Watch for more Buy-It-Now coins that are listed too cheap.

1993 1 oz silver proof peacock NGC PF 69 UC sold for $872 at auction. It has sold for as much as about  $1450. This was a bargain price.

1997 1 oz silver peacock NGC MS 69 sold for $425 at auction. These were selling for only around $100 not long ago.


2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 $199.99 Buy-It-Now.
2000 1 oz silver mirror panda NGC MS 69 $2495 best offer.
1982 gold panda 4 coin set PCGS MS 69 $7869.99 auction.
1990 1 oz silver Munich expo panda NCS NGC PF 69 UC $1550 Buy-It-Now.
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $885 Buy-It-Now.
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary 2003 panda 2 coin lot NGC PF 70 UC $270 Buy-It-Now.
1990 5 oz silver 1992 winter olympics NCS NGC PF 69 UC $1555 Buy-It-Now.
1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $500 Buy-It-Now.
1995 1/2 oz platinum proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC $9350 auction.
1997 22 g silver Chinese traditional culture Bao He Palace NCS NGC PF 70 UC $388 Buy-It-Now.
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary 2005 panda NGC PF 70 UC $140 Buy-It-Now.
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary 2003 panda 2 coin lot NGC PF 70 UC $270 Buy-It-Now.
1985 22 g Chinese historical figures Lao Tse NCS NGC PF 69 UC $277 Buy-It-Now.
1980 8 g gold olympic skier NGC PF 69 UC $1180 auction.
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NCS NGC PF 69 UC $490 Buy-It-Now.
1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 70 $399 Buy-It-Now.
1989 1/4 oz gold panda NGC MS 70 $1525 auction.
1994 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 70 UC $2225.01 auction.
1997 1 oz silver Sino-Thai friendship NGC PF 70 UC $630 auction.
1997 1/4 oz gold panda NGC MS 70 $1170 auction.
2004 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 70 UC $1250 auction.
2005 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 70 UC $1300 auction.
2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 $410 best offer.
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary 2007 panda NGC PF 70 UC $140 Buy-It-Now.
2008 1 oz silver beijing olympics shuttlecock NGC PF 70 UC $117.63 auction.
2008 1 oz silver beijing olympics hoop rolling NGC PF 70 UC $112.57 auction.
2008 1 oz silver beijing olympics goat jumping NGC PF 70 UC $112.57 auction.
2008 gold & silver Beijing olympic 6 coin set NGC PF 70 UC $1774 auction.
2009 1 oz silver PRC 60th anniversary NGC PF 70 UC $338 auction.
1985 27 g silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $2100 auction.
1985 27 g silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $2025.11 auction.
1987 1/10 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $430 auction.
1987 1/4 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $543 auction
1987 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $585 auction.
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $304.99 auction.
1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $380 auction.
1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $385 auction.
1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $455 auction.
1992 1 oz silver proof 3 frosted clump panda NGC PF 69 UC $501 auction.
1993 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $510 auction.
1994 1/4 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM $1499.99 auction.
1994 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $987.97 auction.
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC $920 auction.
2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary 1987 & 1995 proof panda 2 coin set NGC PF 70 UC $298 best offer.
1984 1/2 oz gold panda NGC MS 69 $895 auction.
2002 1 oz gold panda NGC MS 69 $2299 auction.
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 $217.50 auction.
1990 1/4 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC $1320 auction.
1990 1/10 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC $811 auction.
1997 1/20 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC $9900 auction.
1993 1/10 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC $1599.99 auction.
1993 to 1996 1/10 oz platinum panda 4 coin set NGC PF 69 UC $6333 Buy-It-Now.
1997 1/10 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC $15,999.99 auction.
2002 1/10 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC $466.23 auction.
2002 1/20 oz platinum panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM $480 auction.
2004 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 69 UC $999.99 auction.
2004 1/2 oz palladium panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM $920 auction.
2005 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 69 UC $999.99 auction.
1987 1 oz gold New Orleans expo NGC PF 69 UC $2199 auction.
1987 8 g gold lunar rabbit NGC PF 69 UC $1780 auction.
1988 8 g gold lunar dragon NGC PF 69 UC $1200 auction.
1988 8 g gold lunar dragon NGC PF 69 UC $1550 auction.
1990 1 oz platinum lunar horse NGC PF 69 UC $5400.01 auction.
1979 1/2 oz gold year of the child PCGS PR 69 CAM $3360 auction.
1979 1/2 oz gold PRC 30th anniversary hall of the people PCGS PR 69 CAM $1935 auction.
1979 1/2 oz gold PRC 30th anniversary heroes monument PCGS PR 69 CAM $1375 auction.
1984 22 g silver Chinese historical figures terracotta soldier facing right NGC PF 69 UC $237.06 auction.
1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 69 $139.95 Buy-It-Now.
1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 69 $151 auction.
1986 22 g silver Chinese historical figures Sima Qian NGC PF 69 UC $560 auction.
1988 27 g silver endangered wildlife baiji dolphin & crested ibis 2 coin set NGC PF 69 UC $625 Buy-It-Now.
1990 22 g silver Chinese historical figures Li Zicheng NGC PF 69 UC $202.52 auction.
1991 22 g silver Chinese historical figures Hong Xuquan NGC PF 69 UC $202.53 auction.
1992 27 g silver endangered wildlife white storks NGC PF 69 UC $425 Buy-It-Now.
1992 22 g silver invention & discovery seismograph NGC PF 69 UC $325 auction.
1992 22 g silver invention & discovery urn NGC PF 69 UC $283 auction.
1993 1 oz silver proof peacock NGC PF 69 UC $872 auction.
1993 22 g silver invention & discovery yin yang NGC PF 69 UC $393.99 auction.
1993 22 g silver invention & discovery terracotta army NGC PF 69 UC $222.50 auction.
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn PCGS PR 69 DCAM $559 auction.
1997 1 oz silver Sino-Thai friendship NGC PF 69 UC $255 auction.
1997 1 oz silver peacock NGC MS 69 $425 auction.
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« Reply #3 on: 2011 May 26, 02:45:16 pm »

Chinese coins are better





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« Reply #4 on: 2011 May 26, 02:53:47 pm »

Sell your coins on LBC or CCF forums

The Chinese coin marketplace on LBC is a topic started by groovemachine for selling coins amongst LBC members. It's been around for a while now, and seems to be getting interesting, so I figured I would mention it here. Ebay is by far the best place to buy and sell coins, but sometimes it's interesting to see what's been posted over there.

There's also a similar place at the CCF
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« Reply #5 on: 2011 May 26, 02:54:51 pm »

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Always come back to check the replies on these articles. That's where most of the good stuff is! Register on the forums and click the "NOTIFY" button on this article to receive email notifications of new replies that may make some easy money for the first person to read it. Many of the best coins only last for a few minutes or seconds before somebody grabs them. If you get notified of replies, you'll be able to see anything new that I list right when I list it. You'll also stay informed of the hot topics, and see what other people are talking about buying.

Also, once you're registered on the forums, you can access the drafts forum where I post stuff I'm working on. Having access to my drafts lets you see the good stuff before anybody else - sometimes only minutes before, and sometimes more than a week before! You'll have valuable advanced information before the rest of the market gets it! Of course, you MUST click on the "NOTIFY" button for the drafts forum if you want to receive an instant notification that a draft has been posted.

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« Reply #6 on: 2011 May 26, 02:55:06 pm »

NCS and NGC need to help buyers find conserved coins for long term investment

I've talked a lot about NCS conservation of silver coins, especially the ones with the highest grades that were graded in the past. Coins that were not conserved before grading could degrade over time as invisible residues corrode their surfaces. That could make your investments virtually worthless!

There are nuances to which coins are worrisome, and which aren't, so I've recommended coins that look good despite not knowing whether they've been conserved or not. For example, an old silver coin that still looks good after many years is probably OK, and a newer panda that came from modern PVC-free packaging is probably OK too. But, the only way to know for sure is to only buy coins that have been conserved before grading.

Sadly, NCS and NGC continue to refuse to indicate on the holders if a coin has been conserved, even if requested. I have begged them to let me buy coins that I know will not become hunks of scrap metal over time, and they won't listen to me - just one person - but they will listen to the market as a whole. That means you. Everyone needs to contact NCS and tell them you want to buy coins that you know have been conserved. Tell them that you want to buy coins that NGC marks as conserved on their holders. Here's the person to contact:

Craig Fiumara
Numismatic Conservation Services
Operations Manager
Phone 866-627-2646  Ext. 145
Fax 941-360-2559
CraigF@NCScoin.com

Once we persuade them that we want to know that our coins are safe, they will obey our demands and start marking the conserved coins. Only then can we be reasonably certain (but never 100%) that our investments will not become worthless over time.

NCS conserved certificates?

What if NCS started selling certificates that said that a coin had been conserved? Would you want one for each of your coins, so you could prove to a buyer that your coins are professionally conserved? It's been impossible so far to persuade NCS and NGC to start labeling conserved coins. But, they may be willing to produce certificates, especially if it earns them a little extra money.

Prices earned by sellers have been significantly better for the coins they advertise as NCS conserved. When buyers have a choice between 2 coins, one that's cheaper, but not NCS conserved, and one that's significantly more expensive, but has been NCS conserved, the buyers almost always choose the NCS coins first. Once those are gone, then the unconserved coins start selling again.

Many of the sellers are able to provide paperwork to show that a coin has been conserved, and the seller's reputation leads to buyers trusting sellers when they say the coins are conserved. But what about the buyer when it comes time to sell? It would be very helpful if they had a certificate from NCS that says for certain that a coin has been conserved. It would add value to the coins when they initially sell from a dealer, and it will also make it easier for the buyer to sell later too.

Further down in this article is Craig Fiumara's contact information at NCS. It would be helpful to make this possibility a reality if you told him you'd like to buy conservation certificates for your coins.
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« Reply #7 on: 2011 May 26, 02:55:48 pm »

Recommended reading

Here's some recent articles of mine that can provide some guidance for investing in the current and coming market conditions:

* LBC makes me rich
* Wealth preservation: USA vs. China (By Zerosum)
* Coins are the hot new investment
* How high will the Chinese coin market go?
* 5 criteria to determine if a coin is a good investment
* 13 coin facts to learn for beginning investors of modern Chinese coins
* My First Chinese Panda Coin Purchase (By Tamo42)
* Modern Chinese coin investment strategy
* Don't be the "whale" that pays too much for an investment coin
* Modern Chinese coin commentary and market predictions - 2010-Dec-15
* What makes people buy up all the Chinese panda coins?
* Investing in rare modern Chinese coins, some questions answered
* Cash is king for 2011 - Get ready for the coming bargain hunt
* Foresight: Gold, silver, coins, etc will weaken after January or February 2011
* Rumor: Modern Chinese coin charts coming out soon
* Why does this business site talk so much about investments?
* The chess game of rich vs. poor

Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide Book

This is THE panda book, written by the world's foremost expert on Chinese panda coins. Buy the book before the coin. Enough said.

Pricepedia modern Chinese coin price guide with bonus using "LBC" referral code

$68.88 Buy-It-Now.

In addition to the book you can subscribe to the PricePedia, which gives up-to-date monthly pricing information on over 700 different coins, as well as a few pointers on what's hot or undervalued in the market. If you send a message to the author mentioning LBC for the referral code, you get a bonus list of undervalued coins, along with your subscription.
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« Reply #8 on: 2011 May 26, 02:58:15 pm »

My choices

* 1987 5 oz silver proof panda NCS conserved for $933.
* The 1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship coins.
* Other platinum pandas, because they're available cheaply at auction and they're MUCH rarer than previously thought.
* 2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary proof pandas
* silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar coins, especially the dragons
* All other lunar coins
* Dragon themed coins
* 1992 1 oz silver proof panda varieties
* Gold-gilded expo pandas
* Other expo coins
* Unicorns, especially the NCS conserved ones, because they're not going to stop rising in value until people can't afford them anymore - that usually means $5000+
* Coins in a 70 grade
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« Reply #9 on: 2011 May 26, 02:58:24 pm »

NCS conserved



Sellers who list coins with the words "NCS conserved" somewhere in their Ebay listing will show up here, regardless of grade. This is to enhance the value of both high and low grade coins that have been conserved, and can be advertised with the phrase "This coin has been conserved by NCS", or something similar.

NCS conserved coins

I routinely pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars EXTRA for a coin that comes from a dealer that I know always conserves his coins. If I pay thousands of dollars for a rare silver coin, it would be a tragedy if it developed the dreaded White Spots of Death later. I have never had a problem with any of my conserved silver coins.

If we're going to get NCS and NGC to start labeling conserved coins, we have to help dealers to earn a little extra money for them. This is a chicken-and-egg problem, where nobody labels NCS conserved coins because nobody is looking for them, and nobody is looking for them because nobody labels them. Now, sellers can tell us (on the honor system) which coins have been conserved.
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