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« on: 2011 May 12, 10:50:18 PM »



The article is broken up into separate posts - The coin investments list is at the end of the article

The market has been busy, with fresh supply coming available, and many eager buyers pushing prices higher. Even though we're still in the slowdown of the warmer months, the buying activity is very vibrant. I see lots of coins being taken off the market, never to be seen again. When the cooler months arrive, and the slowdown is over, we are going to see a very HOT market. I hope everyone realizes this NOW, so you can buy up coins before the competition for them makes them unobtainable.

Get the rarest coins first, you will not regret it, even if it costs a lot of money. Buy them when you find them.
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« Reply #1 on: 2011 May 12, 11:53:21 PM »

Table of contents

Not everything is in the table of contents, but all the important stuff is here.

* Coins sold from previous article
* Chinese coins are better
* Register, read replies, get notifications, access drafts
* Recommended reading
* My choices
* NCS conserved
* 70 grade coins
* Proof pandas
* Rare BU pandas
* Investment grade 1/2 oz silver pandas
* Investment grade large date and small date pandas
* Platinum and palladium pandas
* Other pandas and expo coins
* Lunar coins
* Other investment grade coins
* Helpful searches
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« Reply #2 on: 2011 May 12, 11:53:58 PM »

Coins sold from the Modern Chinese coin investments #60 article

The 2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 sold for $595, which is a strong price for a coin that used to cost $20! These used to be plentiful, but now they're hard to find. This is what happens with rare coins...for a while you can get them any time you want, and then suddenly, they're all gone! Remember this when I tell you things like you should buy a coin because it's part of a hoard that has come to the market - just because it's readily available does not mean you should disrespect it as a common coin. It's only a matter of time before you have to wait months, and pay 20 times as much money just to get a chance to buy one - but only if you're faster than everyone else with the Buy-It-Now button! Wow! What a price on this coin!

HINT: The 2001 D is plentiful right now...Somebody got one for only $225, good job!

As usual, NCS conserved coins are selling for hot money, while the other coins are sometimes going unsold. NCS conservation is continuing to pay off for sellers. The coins look great, and the new owners feel at ease knowing their expensive coin has been conserved and preserved.

1994 1 oz silver proof unicorn NCS NGC PF 69 UC for $1100
1993 1 oz silver invention & discovery fu lu shu NGC PF 69 UC for $329.95
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $885.99
2000 1 oz silver mirror panda NGC MS 69 for $2600
2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 for $265
2001 D 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 for $225
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 for $595
1999 2/3 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar rabbit NCS NGC PF 69 Cameo for $750
2000 15 g silver dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $600
1980 15 g silver olympic wrestling NGC PF 69 UC for $595
1995 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $1200
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NCS NGC PF 69 UC for $650
1997 27 g silver romance of the 3 kingdoms sun quan NGC PF 69 UC for $461.07
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« Reply #3 on: 2011 May 12, 11:54:12 PM »

Chinese coins are better

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« Reply #4 on: 2011 May 12, 11:54:26 PM »

Sell your coins on LBC

The Chinese coin marketplace on LBC is a topic started by groovemachine for selling coins amongst LBC members. It's been around for a while now, and seems to be getting interesting, so I figured I would mention it here. Ebay is by far the best place to buy and sell coins, but sometimes it's interesting to see what's been posted over there.
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« Reply #5 on: 2011 May 12, 11:54:46 PM »

Register, read replies, get notifications, access drafts

Always come back to check the replies on these articles. That's where most of the good stuff is! Register on the forums and click the "NOTIFY" button on this article to receive email notifications of new replies that may make some easy money for the first person to read it. Many of the best coins only last for a few minutes or seconds before somebody grabs them. If you get notified of replies, you'll be able to see anything new that I list right when I list it. You'll also stay informed of the hot topics, and see what other people are talking about buying.

Also, once you're registered on the forums, you can access the drafts forum where I post stuff I'm working on. Having access to my drafts lets you see the good stuff before anybody else - sometimes only minutes before, and sometimes more than a week before! You'll have valuable advanced information before the rest of the market gets it! Of course, you MUST click on the "NOTIFY" button for the drafts forum if you want to receive an instant notification that a draft has been posted.

Finally, you'll want to stay up-to-date on my postings, so click the "NOTIFY" button on my blog forum. You may want to take a look there from time to time, especially to read my older postings that are packed with valuable money-making information. If you're wondering if I'm worth listening to, you can see a list of my articles sorted by date. Check out the older ones to see my track record at predicting the markets. It's impressive, if I do say so myself. No one on the planet as a track record like mine. You can trust my predictions, they're always right!
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« Reply #6 on: 2011 May 12, 11:54:58 PM »

NCS and NGC need to help buyers find conserved coins for long term investment

I've talked a lot about NCS conservation of silver coins, especially the ones with the highest grades that were graded in the past. Coins that were not conserved before grading could degrade over time as invisible residues corrode their surfaces. That could make your investments virtually worthless!

There are nuances to which coins are worrisome, and which aren't, so I've recommended coins that look good despite not knowing whether they've been conserved or not. For example, an old silver coin that still looks good after many years is probably OK, and a newer panda that came from modern PVC-free packaging is probably OK too. But, the only way to know for sure is to only buy coins that have been conserved before grading.

Sadly, NCS and NGC continue to refuse to indicate on the holders if a coin has been conserved, even if requested. I have begged them to let me buy coins that I know will not become hunks of scrap metal over time, and they won't listen to me - just one person - but they will listen to the market as a whole. That means you. Everyone needs to contact NCS and tell them you want to buy coins that you know have been conserved. Tell them that you want to buy coins that NGC marks as conserved on their holders. Here's the person to contact:

Craig Fiumara
Numismatic Conservation Services
Operations Manager
Phone 866-627-2646  Ext. 145
Fax 941-360-2559
CraigF@NCScoin.com

Once we persuade them that we want to know that our coins are safe, they will obey our demands and start marking the conserved coins. Only then can we be reasonably certain (but never 100%) that our investments will not become worthless over time.
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« Reply #7 on: 2011 May 12, 11:55:10 PM »

NCS conserved certificates?

What if NCS started selling certificates that said that a coin had been conserved? Would you want one for each of your coins, so you could prove to a buyer that your coins are professionally conserved? It's been impossible so far to persuade NCS and NGC to start labeling conserved coins. But, they may be willing to produce certificates, especially if it earns them a little extra money.

Prices earned by sellers have been significantly better for the coins they advertise as NCS conserved. When buyers have a choice between 2 coins, one that's cheaper, but not NCS conserved, and one that's significantly more expensive, but has been NCS conserved, the buyers almost always choose the NCS coins first. Once those are gone, then the unconserved coins start selling again.

Many of the sellers are able to provide paperwork to show that a coin has been conserved, and the seller's reputation leads to buyers trusting sellers when they say the coins are conserved. But what about the buyer when it comes time to sell? It would be very helpful if they had a certificate from NCS that says for certain that a coin has been conserved. It would add value to the coins when they initially sell from a dealer, and it will also make it easier for the buyer to sell later too.

Further down in this article is Craig Fiumara's contact information at NCS. It would be helpful to make this possibility a reality if you told him you'd like to buy conservation certificates for your coins.
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« Reply #8 on: 2011 May 12, 11:55:22 PM »

Recommended reading

Here's some recent articles of mine that can provide some guidance for investing in the current and coming market conditions:

* LBC makes me rich
* Wealth preservation: USA vs. China (By Zerosum)
* Coins are the hot new investment
* How high will the Chinese coin market go?
* 5 criteria to determine if a coin is a good investment
* 13 coin facts to learn for beginning investors of modern Chinese coins
* My First Chinese Panda Coin Purchase (By Tamo42)
* Modern Chinese coin investment strategy
* Don't be the "whale" that pays too much for an investment coin
* Modern Chinese coin commentary and market predictions - 2010-Dec-15
* What makes people buy up all the Chinese panda coins?
* Investing in rare modern Chinese coins, some questions answered
* Cash is king for 2011 - Get ready for the coming bargain hunt
* Foresight: Gold, silver, coins, etc will weaken after January or February 2011
* Rumor: Modern Chinese coin charts coming out soon
* Why does this business site talk so much about investments?
* The chess game of rich vs. poor

Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide Book

This is THE panda book, written by the world's foremost expert on Chinese panda coins. Buy the book before the coin. Enough said.

Pricepedia modern Chinese coin price guide with bonus using "LBC" referral code

$68.88 Buy-It-Now.

In addition to the book you can subscribe to the PricePedia, which gives up-to-date monthly pricing information on over 700 different coins, as well as a few pointers on what's hot or undervalued in the market. If you send a message to the author mentioning LBC for the referral code, you get a bonus list of undervalued coins, along with your subscription.
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« Reply #9 on: 2011 May 12, 11:57:47 PM »

My choices

* 2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary proof pandas
* silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar coins
* Other lunar coins
* Dragon themed coins
* 1992 1 oz silver proof panda varieties
* Gold-gilded expo pandas
* Other expo coins
* Unicorns, especially the NCS conserved ones, because they're not going to stop rising in value until people can't afford them anymore - that usually means $5000+
* Coins in a 70 grade
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« Reply #10 on: 2011 May 12, 11:58:03 PM »

NCS conserved



Sellers who list coins with the words "NCS conserved" somewhere in their Ebay listing will show up here, regardless of grade. This is to enhance the value of both high and low grade coins that have been conserved, and can be advertised with the phrase "This coin has been conserved by NCS", or something similar.

NCS conserved coins

I routinely pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars EXTRA for a coin that comes from a dealer that I know always conserves his coins. If I pay thousands of dollars for a rare silver coin, it would be a tragedy if it developed the dreaded White Spots of Death later. I have never had a problem with any of my conserved silver coins.

If we're going to get NCS and NGC to start labeling conserved coins, we have to help dealers to earn a little extra money for them. This is a chicken-and-egg problem, where nobody labels NCS conserved coins because nobody is looking for them, and nobody is looking for them because nobody labels them. Now, sellers can tell us (on the honor system) which coins have been conserved.
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« Reply #11 on: 2011 May 12, 11:58:19 PM »

70 grade coins



NEW 1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 70

$399 Buy-It-Now.

NEW 1989 22 g silver Chinese historical figures Guan Hanqing NGC PF 70

$3388 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. This is probably worth a best offer of around half (or less) of the asking price. Beware of items from this seller because he has been fishing for whales lately, though he does have good coins that are hard to find in high grades. If you look at his completed listings, you'll see a lot of good, unsold coins because everyone knows he's asking unusually high prices for them.

NEW 1989 1/4 oz gold panda NGC MS 70

$698.99 auction starting price.
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« Reply #12 on: 2011 May 12, 11:58:44 PM »

1990 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70

$2999 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. I think a reasonable offer would be between $800 and $2000.

NEW 1997 1/4 oz gold panda NGC MS 70

$698.99 auction starting price.

2003 1 oz silver panda NGC PF 70 UC

$599.99 Buy-It-Now.
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« Reply #13 on: 2011 May 12, 11:59:00 PM »

2005 1 kilo silver panda NGC PF 70 UC

$17,995 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. The 2004 that's been in the list lately has an auction starting price of $7000, so I don't think the price this seller is asking is reasonable. But, the door is open to make an offer, so I decided to list this coin because of that. Otherwise, the price is high enough that I would not have listed it. 70 coins require the right buyer. A patient seller can hold out for any price they want when they own the only known specimen in a 70 grade. If you have to have the best of the best, maybe consider putting out an offer around $7000.

NEW 2006 1/2 oz gold scallop plum blossom flower lunar dog NGC PF 70 UC

$0.99 auction starting price. Mintage 8000. I normally don't list these as frequently as the ones minted in 2004 and earlier because they have a higher mintage. But, this one is on auction, and it's a 70, so there's a good chance of getting a bargain price on this. Plus, even though the mintage is higher, it is still quite low at only 8000.

NEW 2008 gold & silver Beijing olympic 6 coin set NGC PF 70 UC

$1699 auction starting price.
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« Reply #14 on: 2011 May 12, 11:59:27 PM »

2008 gold & silver olympic series 1 6 coin set NGC PF 70 UC

$0.99 auction starting price.

2008 gold & silver olympic series 2 6 coin set NGC PF 70 UC

$0.99 auction starting price.

2008 gold & silver olympic series 3 6 coin set NGC PF 70 UC

$0.99 auction starting price.
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