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Author Topic: Modern Chinese coin investments #51 - Slowdown is over, "common" becomes "rare"  (Read 8491 times)
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« on: 2011 Feb 19, 11:27:26 am »



Scroll WAY down to see the recommendations and skip the commentary!

Over $23,000 worth of coins were bought from the last list! SHOCKING!

I predicted the slowdown, then I predicted that the slowdown would be disrupted early. My predictions are perfectly accurate, and we've seen all of them come to fruition. The slowdown is officially over for now, with prices resuming their upward trend. I still think it's likely that we'll see slowing again in the summer when buyers and sellers take their vacaitions, but it may be just as insignificant as the slowdown that just completed was.

Supply is good, but prices are rising - some coins have made huge moves upward. The 2009 1 oz silver 30th anniversary pandas in a 70 grade have nearly doubled in their sale prices since the slowdown began in January, the asking prices for some sellers have tripled. The coin is not particularly rare, even in a 70 grade, since the mintage is 300,000. It takes persistent, strong buying action to push prices upwards on the most common coins - but, the 300,000 mintage is gradually starting to seem not so common as panda mintages soar into the millions for 2010 and 2011.

It's things like this that cause me to continue to declare the 2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary proof pandas as my top pick, article after article. They have a mintage of only 30,000 and while they have done OK in their price gains, they haven't held steady yet because sellers are putting coins on the market as prices rise. This makes it a GREAT time to buy them, and in fact, it's the definition of a good investment. It's tough to predict which coins will perform the best, but the 2007 proof pandas are easy to pick because the numbers just make perfect sense. Pandas are popular, and the mintage is low. There isn't much else to know.

Coins with mintages around 5000 and less are doing very well. Those are the new "rare" coins that are not offered for sale very often. Coins with mintages under 8,000 are quickly disappearing too. In a few more months, I suspect the supply of those coins will disappear. Ultimately, I think 2011 will be the year that coins with mintages under 10,000 start getting called "rare". I remember the good old days when the rare coins were coins with mintages around 500 or less. Now, it's a major event when one appears for sale!

Coins with mintages under 30,000 are 2012's "rare" coins. A few coins with mintages up to 20,000 that are difficult to find in high grade will possibly become rare this year too. By 2012, the high grade proof 1 oz silver pandas will be hard to find. 70 graded coins are becoming more popular. They're still not very popular, but that just means you can get them cheaper than what you'll sell them for, and that's exactly what you want as an investor.

We have very exciting times ahead for all of you that are hoarding rare investment-grade coins.

My choices

You should always buy the rarest coins you can afford, and only buy the cheaper, less-rare coins when you think you can take a profit on them to reinvest into rarer coins. Don't sell into a buyer's market unless you're replacing your coins with much better ones.

My top choice is still the 2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary pandas. There are several inexpensive auctions going on right now that should give you an opportunity to grab a few cheaply. I've been asked by groovemachine, my ever so wise counselor, to dampen my enthusiasm for these coins because even though they have a low mintage, there's lots of them available, and it will take some time for collectors to remove them from the market before prices can be sustained at higher levels. Still, that's the best time to buy them, and I think these are something that everyone ought to consider, especially those with smaller budgets who wish to make a little more money to reinvest. Breaking up the sets and getting them graded so you can sell them individually should earn you a little extra profits, but don't rush it. Every investment takes time to mature. The similar mintage 1989 1 oz silver proof pandas are moving up, so I expect these to follow once the supply is sucked dry.

Next, I'd probably raid the small size coins from the list that are still affordable. Those are appearing much less frequently. There's several of many different types, with some of them being quite rare. They're becoming more popular as time goes by, and they're a fun way to collect. Many of the hottest proof gold pandas are already gone, but there's still a few very nice coins with similarly low mintages. There's a few small size proof gold pandas and unicorns in today's list. They're all excellent investments, but a few are underpriced relative to their rarity and popularity. Look at how low the mintages are!

Anything with a dragon and/or horse on them is hot too.

There's several lunar coins worth grabbing or at least putting a bid on them. They're becoming VERY popular, after getting mysteriously overlooked.

If you have questions about investing in any of these coins, please ask. If you find a coin that seems like it should be listed here, but isn't, please tell me about it. I frequently wait to list a coin here until I've had time to do the proper research on it that's needed for me to give you the basic facts on each coin. If you'd like to see info faster on a particular coin, I can make it a higher priority for you. I've noticed people don't like asking questions, because they don't want anyone else to know they're thinking of buying a particular coin. People don't want to talk about the coins they're interested in due to "coin snatchers" grabbing them. Competition for the investment-grade coins listed in these articles is fierce!

NCS and NGC refuse to help buyers find conserved coins for long term investment

I've talked a lot about NCS conservation of silver coins, especially the ones with the highest grades that were graded in the past. Coins that were not conserved before grading could degrade over time as invisible residues corrode their surfaces. That could make your investments virtually worthless!

There are nuances to which coins are worrisome, and which aren't, so I've recommended coins that look good despite not knowing whether they've been conserved or not. For example, an old silver coin that still looks good after many years is probably OK, and a newer panda that came from modern PVC-free packaging is probably OK too. But, the only way to know for sure is to only buy coins that have been conserved before grading.

Sadly, NCS and NGC continue to refuse to indicate on the holders if a coin has been conserved, even if requested. I have begged them to let me buy coins that I know will not become hunks of scrap metal over time, and they won't listen to me - just one person - but they will listen to the market as a whole. That means you. Everyone needs to contact NCS and tell them you want to buy coins that you know have been conserved. Tell them that you want to buy coins that NGC marks as conserved on their holders. Here's the person to contact:

Craig Fiumara
Numismatic Conservation Services
Operations Manager
Phone 866-627-2646  Ext. 145
Fax 941-360-2559
CraigF@NCScoin.com

Once we persuade them that we want to know that our coins are safe, they will obey our demands and start marking the conserved coins. Only then can we be reasonably certain (but never 100%) that our investments will not become worthless over time.

Recommended reading

Here's some recent articles of mine that can provide some guidance for investing in the current and coming market conditions:

* LBC makes me rich
* Wealth preservation: USA vs. China (By Zerosum)
* Coins are the hot new investment
* How high will the Chinese coin market go?
* 5 criteria to determine if a coin is a good investment
* 13 coin facts to learn for beginning investors of modern Chinese coins
* My First Chinese Panda Coin Purchase (By Tamo42)
* Modern Chinese coin investment strategy
* Don't be the "whale" that pays too much for an investment coin
* Modern Chinese coin commentary and market predictions - 2010-Dec-15
* What makes people buy up all the Chinese panda coins?
* Investing in rare modern Chinese coins, some questions answered
* Cash is king for 2011 - Get ready for the coming bargain hunt
* Foresight: Gold, silver, coins, etc will weaken after January or February 2011
* Rumor: Modern Chinese coin charts coming out soon
* Why does this business site talk so much about investments?
* The chess game of rich vs. poor

Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide Book

This is THE panda book, written by the world's foremost expert on Chinese panda coins. Buy the book before the coin. Enough said.

Pricepedia modern Chinese coin price guide with bonus using "LBC" referral code

$68.88 Buy-It-Now.

In addition to the book you can subscribe to the PricePedia, which gives up-to-date monthly pricing information on over 700 different coins, as well as a few pointers on what's hot or undervalued in the market. If you send a message to the author mentioning LBC for the referral code, you get a bonus list of undervalued coins, along with your subscription.



Perfect 70 coins



NEW 1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 70

$495 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. These have sold several times in the past for around $500. If you can get it cheaper, that's great, but don't let someone else snatch it from you while you're trying to save a few bucks with a best offer.

NEW 2004 1 kilo silver panda NGC PF 70 UC

$9500 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 4000. Large size coins almost never get a 70 grade - they're hard enough to find in a 69 grade. They usually get marks on them instantly when they touch something because of their heavy weight, and the momentum they carry when being moved - they tend to touch things forcefully, even when handled gently. The price is high, but where are you going to find another one? With a low mintage of only 4000, it's hard to find in any grade.

2007 1/25 oz gold 2004 25th anniversary panda NGC PF 70 UC

$139.99 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 18,000.

NEW 2008 1 oz silver olympic hoop rolling NGC PF 70 UC

$199.95 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 160,000. These aren't rare, but they're beautiful, and becoming more popular. They have grade rarity, which is less popular than mintage rarity. Get these after you already have coins that have lower mintages. There are a few in this list that are rarer for around the same price.

NEW 2008 1 oz silver olympic goat jumping NGC PF 70 UC

$199.95 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 160,000. These aren't rare, but they're beautiful, and becoming more popular. They have grade rarity, which is less popular than mintage rarity. Get these after you already have coins that have lower mintages. There are a few in this list that are rarer for around the same price.

NEW 2008 1 oz silver olympic shuttlecock NGC PF 70 UC

$199.95 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 160,000. These aren't rare, but they're beautiful, and becoming more popular. They have grade rarity, which is less popular than mintage rarity. Get these after you already have coins that have lower mintages. There are a few in this list that are rarer for around the same price.

NEW 2008 1 oz silver olympic kite flying NGC PF 70 UC

$199.95 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 160,000. These aren't rare, but they're beautiful, and becoming more popular. They have grade rarity, which is less popular than mintage rarity. Get these after you already have coins that have lower mintages. There are a few in this list that are rarer for around the same price. This one is probably the key to the set, since everyone knows what a kite is, and most people have enjoyed flying a kite at some time in their lives. If you chose just one from the set, get this one.

NEW 2009 1 oz silver 30th anniversary panda PCGS MS 70

$250 auction starting price, $275 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 300,000. Normally I don't bother to list most coins with such high mintages, but this is a PCGS 70, which is difficult to find. On top of that, the price is reasonable. NGC has only graded 4 in a 70 grade. I don't think this will last long.

NEW 2009 1 oz silver 30th anniversary panda NGC MS 70

$350 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 300,000. Asking prices on this have doubled in in the last 2 months.



Proof pandas



All the early proof pandas are what I like to call $10,000 coins, because I firmly believe within the next decade, you will have to pay $10k+ to obtain one. coins here meet at least 4 of the 5 criteria to determine if a coin is a good investment. The only one they may not meet is the one about conservation, which is less important as long as the coin looks good despite its age, and not very important at all for gold, platinum, and palladium.

If any of the silver coins you buy have white spots when you receive them, you should probably return it for a refund. The white spots may be correctable through conservation, but that's the seller's problem, not yours.

Now that the issue of which silver proof panda coin is the rarest seems to have been settled, the 1994 and the 1996 have increased rapidly in value. However, it turns out that all three of the top coins - the 1994, 1995, and the 1996 - have similarly small actual mintages. There's no one coin that is dramatically rarer than any of the others. The information I have says that all of them have mintages of around 7000 to 8000 coins. So, buy them all up whenever you can, as your cash holdings allow.

1986 gold proof panda 5 coin set NGC PF 69 UC

$7899 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 10,000.

NEW 1987 1 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM

$2198 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 10,000.

NEW 1987 1 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM

$2198 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 10,000.

1987 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$1050 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. Mintage 31,000.

NEW 1988 5 oz gold panda NGC PF 69 UC

$23,395 auction starting price. Mintage 3000. Very hard to find in high investment grades, but one of the most commonly seen otherwise. The price is high, but the high grade makes it worth including in my list.

NEW 1988 5 oz gold panda NGC PF 69 UC

$12,888 auction starting price. Mintage 3000. Very hard to find in high investment grades, but one of the most commonly seen otherwise. The price is high, but the high grade makes it worth including in my list.

1989 1 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$1500 auction starting price. Mintage 8000.

1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$275.95 Buy-It-Now.

1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$350 Buy-It-Now.

NEW 1990 1 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM

$2500 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 5000.

1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$325 Buy-It-Now. Last one sold for $309. Prices are increasing.

1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$439 Buy-It-Now.

1992 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM

$529 Buy-It-Now.

1992 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM

$450 auction starting price.

1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$459 Buy-It-Now. Price increased from $449.

The official mintage for the 1992 coins is 20,000 but is probably lower, as is often the case for early coins. Prices have been steadily increasing, and this one has sold for $278 and $399 for a 69 specimen, and up to a whopping $738 for a damaged, ungraded coin. The $738 price was ridiculous, but it's a clue as to how crazy people get sometimes. The damage on the $738 coin is a torch sloppily engraved into it by a private coin dealer in Germany when the coin was first released. 3000 of them were damaged by the torch engraving, and word hasn't quite made it to all the collectors in China that the torch isn't supposed to be there. The Chinese dealers seem to be making good money by not telling them too!

So, we know that 3000 of these coins were damaged right when they were released, and I suspect that the Chinese dealers may be getting greedy, and they could be carving their own little torches into the surviving coins to try to score a $700+ price tag on a damaged coin. That means that, in addition to probably having a lower mintage than the official figures suggest, we already know that at least 3000 coins have been damaged. That makes this coin a good investment, because it doesn't cost more than coins that weren't damaged on a large scale.

I would grab this coin before word spreads that the little torch coins are actually damaged coins, and pristine coins are much rarer than people have thought. Only 109 have been graded a 69, which is about half as many as expected - but the coin does not cost twice as much! This coin is underpriced, and a good investment. Buy them when you find them.

Update:

There were some discussions that led to questions about why the 1992 proof panda is cheaper than coins that should have higher mintages. Aside from the obvious possibility that the other coins actually have much lower mintages, there's other plausible explanations as well (no one knows for certain yet, but I think these are good guesses):

One explanation for the unnaturally cheaper price on the 1992 1 oz silver proof pandas could be that a lot of people paid big bucks for the torch version. Once they had that, they erroneously felt they had the key coin for that date, and so did not buy the normal, unaltered 1992 coin.

On top of that, once they read our research on this forum, and learned that the torch coin is actually a damaged coin, they may have developed a reflexive dislike for the 1992 coins after having lost a lot of money on the altered torch coins.

It still remains possible that the 1992 1 oz silver proof panda is actually rarer than coins that are currently selling for more, and that would make it a good investment that justifies its inclusion in my list.

Either way, until the truth is known for sure, it would be a good idea to make sure to have at least one of them in your collection/portfolio (in investment-grade, without the torch!).

NEW 1993 1/4 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$4985 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 2500. This seller is always expensive, but he has coins that are rare and difficult to find. I chose to include this one because its mintage is so low, I think it's safe to overpay for it. The small size gold proof pandas with mintages under 5000 have been performing the best, but they've all been doing pretty well lately with mintages 5000 to 10,000.

1993 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM

$988 Buy-It-Now.

1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$1099 Buy-It-Now.

NEW 1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$950 auction starting price.

1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$1099.99 Buy-It-Now.

1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$749 Buy-It-Now.

1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC

$999 Buy-It-Now.

NEW 2005 1 kilo silver panda NGC PF 69 UC

$4795 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 4000. Heavy coins get damaged easily, and 69 coins are difficult to find.

2005 5 oz silver panda NGC PF 69 UC

$4150 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. Mintage 10,000. Only about half of these earn a 69 grade, just like the older versions I've listed here. Don't pay the asking price, the older coins don't command that price despite being harder to find, so this one certainly is not worth the asking price. I would make an offer that's on par with the older coins, or perhaps cheaper. That would be somewhere around $1000 probably, give or take a couple hundred dollars.

NEW 2007 1/4 oz silver 2004 25th anniversary panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM

2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set

$299 auction starting price. This is the lowest starting price I've seen. You may have a chance of getting this set for a bargain price.

2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set

$349.99 auction starting price.

2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set

$1280 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 30,000.

2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set

$1280 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 30,000.

Search for 2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary pandas

As a policy, I don't list coins that are not graded and authenticated by NGC or PCGS. However, this deal is too good to pass up, so I'm making an exception for it. I've seen the 2007 1/4 proof pandas sell for as cheaply as around $15 lately, but they're as rare as the other pandas selling for hundreds of dollars. There are many original sets of all 25 of the 2007 proof panda coins available on ebay right now. The lowest priced ones are about $900, and the highest priced ones are about $1300. At the highest price, that translates to only about $52 per coin! Compare that to the 1989 1 oz silver proof panda that has a similar mintage, and sells for $199 in a 69 grade.

Granted, almost none of these are graded. You'll have to know what you're doing to buy these, but I think you should be able to double your money on them easily once word gets out that you can still buy proof silver pandas for about the same price as an ungraded 2010 non-proof panda. Think it over - 2010 boring panda with a mintage of 3 million for $50, or a 2007 proof panda with a mintage 30,000 for $50. Don't be a fool, buy them up before sellers realize what they've got.

But, if you get coins that have white spots on them, return them. Here's an example of a set of coins that have white spots on them:

DO NOT BUY THIS SET - 2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set - DO NOT BUY THIS SET

The seller is advertising them with the phrases "Great Look and Grade!" and "Each coin has also been graded at PF69 by NGC.". When I asked the seller about the problems his coins had, he said "They are NGC MS69" and only have a "minor imperfection". Clearly this seller is not willing to tell buyers the truth about the low quality of his coins. I don't normally go out of my way to shoot down someone's coins they're selling, but I've made an exception in this case because it's so important for my readers to see an example of what bad coins look like, even if they're graded.



Platinum and palladium pandas



NEW 1987 1 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC

$5800 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 2000.

1990 1/2 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC

$3995 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. Mintage 2500.

1990 1 oz platinum panda NGC PF 69 UC

$10,750 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 1300. The last one sold at auction for close to the asking price for this coin. It's been getting talked about quite a lot. Platinum is getting popular, it seems.

NEW 2004 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 69 UC

$1275 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 8000. 2 available.



BU pandas



2000 1/20 oz gold frosted panda NGC MS 69

$224.95 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. Mintage 41,837.

NEW 2001 D 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 69

$150 auction starting price, $165 Buy-It-Now.

2001 D 1/2 oz gold panda PCGS MS 69

$2595 Buy-It-Now. The seller says this is the only one of these in a 69 grade from PCGS, but NGC reports 7 specimens discovered so far. Either way, this is a rare coin, that may actually be far rarer than anyone has realized. The price is quite high, with the Pricepedia reporting that the last raw specimen sold for $950. I would watch this to see if the seller will drop his price, but considering that the market is taking off again, I suppose it's just as likely for him to raise it. I believe the seller marked this coin up to a high price because it's the only one from PCGS, which is no big deal, and certainly not worth overpaying for. If I see one from NGC that's at a more reasonable price, I will list it here. If you're feeling bold, you can grab it at the asking price with a bet that the market will be carrying prices upwards to this level.

NEW 2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69

$85 auction starting price.

2002 1/20 oz gold panda NGC MS 69

$222 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 400,000. Much fewer were probably actually minted, because the design was the same as the 2001 coins, which made them unpopular when they first came out. In addition, many were probably damaged or destroyed through usage in jewelry, since the beautiful design and small size made these coins perfect for that use when collector interest was weak. Only 23 of these coins received an investment-grade of 69 or 70, while the 1 oz size has 101 coins in a 69 or 70 grade. That could be because fewer of these were submitted for grading, or  because fewer of them have survived in good enough condition to be worth the cost of grading. I suspect both factors are involved.

2002 1 oz gold panda PCGS MS 69

$2250 Buy-It-Now. These have the same design as the 2001 pandas. Because of that, they weren't popular, and fewer were made, and many were lost. You should have one in your collection. The seller says the estimated surviving number of specimens is only around 5000.

Investment-grade 1/2 oz silver pandas

These are moving upwards, so I decided to include them again. The items in the list are from an automatically generated search, so they're not necessarily recommendations. You'll have to find and purchase coins yourself, but I'll be happy to answer questions about them. There's too many to list individually - the search thingy above that shows the items doesn't show everything, so click the link above it to see all items that the search can find for you.



Large date and small date pandas



Investment grade large date and small date pandas

Pricing information is very immature for panda varieties so here's a search, not necessarily a list of recommendations, that shows you what I might have put in this article if there were more information available. Pricing is erratic, with no one quite sure what a fair price should be, not even the sellers themselves. That usually means everything is selling too cheap. Good luck, and get them while you can.



Lunar coins



1988 1 oz platinum dragon NGC PF 69 UC

$6598 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. Mintage 2000.

1993 2/3 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar rooster NGC PF 69 UC

Mintage 6800. These coins are rarely seen, and the competition to obtain them results in fierce bidding. This will probably sell for between $500 and $900, with a price somewhere in the middle more likely.

NEW 1994 1 oz silver lunar dog NGC PF 69 UC

Mintage 8000.

1999 1/2 oz gold lunar scallop plum blossom flower rabbit PCGS PR 69 DCAM

This coin is too expensive at $4300 - but it's the only one available. I posted about others that were available for half as much just a few days ago, but they're gone, so $4300 is your new price for those who weren't the lucky buyers of those other recommendations. This coin has a mintage of only 2300 coins, so I have no doubt you'll be able to sell it for $10k+ within a few years or sooner, though I do not recommend planning on selling it at that price because it could go FAR higher. You "overpay" now for a good coin just to get it, and then make your profits later. It's frustrating this price is so dramatically higher than the last coins that sold, but you won't get good coins if you don't pay what you have to pay to get them.

In short, is $4300 an unfair price to pay for a coin that was selling for around $2500 to $3000 only one week ago? No, it is not unfair at all. Expensive, yes, but if you have the cash, buy this coin. It will only cost you more later.



Other investment grade coins



1979 1/2 oz silver matte year of the child NGC MS 69

This is a great coin being offered at a fair price. Cheapskates keep offering low-ball prices, but this coin is worth every penny of the $15,000 asking price. The last coins sold for increasingly high values of $7000 to almost $10,000 recently, and none of them were graded. This coin has a high 69 grade, a low mintage, and is extremely popular. Don't be a cheapskate, pay the full asking price and grab it before someone else does. It is worth it.

1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 69

$138 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 50,000 to 90,000 (sources vary). The last ones sold for $120, $89.88, and $100.

Question:

"What's the significance of 1986 CHINA S5Y SHIP EMPRESS OF CHINA (22.2g, not 24g as advertised) at $100 to 150? Its mintage is 75,000 so it's not that rare. Is there a cultural significance to it or what?"

Answer:

A few things are confusing about this coin: The weight, the mintage, the quality of the mintage, and the surviving population.

The COA for the coin says it's 26.6 grams, for example, while other sources claim a variety of other weights. I haven't actually weighed any of them yet though.  The information you have about the mintage and weight comes from the Krause catalog, which is known to have numerous errors that the authors are too lazy to fix, for decades at a time, from edition to edition, including simple spelling errors that spellcheck could fix instantly.

Mintage figures I've seen range from around 50,000 to 90,000. Regardless of what the actual mintage is, it's still arguably quite low. I have long suspected that these are rarer than people think they are, especially in high grades.

However, those are all just details that all take a backseat to popularity. The coin is not popular yet, but I think it has merely been overlooked because it wasn't intended for the Chinese market - the ship on the coin is American. The ship theme of the coin is what will make it popular, once it gets noticed.

There are a lot of oddball coins that don't fit in any specific category very well, because they weren't part of any sort of series. Having a recognizable theme makes it possible for an oddball coin to fit into a set, and become popular for the set. For example, China's maritime set was minted for only one year, with a very low mintage. It has become popular due to its low price relative to its rarity, and that popularity has spread to other coins with a ship theme. Some collectors consider dragon boats, and other ship coins to be part of their maritime set.

The quantity of coins that are almost always available for the 1986 coin leads me to believe that the mintage probably isn't terribly low. I think the rarity lies in grade rarity, since the coins are so frequently in poor condition, due to the lack of respect they received for seeming to not be rare.

If we go with the highest mintage estimate I can think of off the top of my head, at 90,000, then I would consider it to be a low mintage coin. I am speculating on this coin, since so little is known for certain about it, with much conflicting information.

I would not be an aggressive buyer of these coins, due to the uncertainties, but I would take bargains from time to time when they come available. The asking price for the coin I listed is $168, but I would put in an offer of $100, and see if the seller will take that. If not, I might wait a while to see if anything else turns up, and then possibly try another offer.

Either way, I think this coin is a $200+ coin in the near future, due it's under 100,000 mintage. It is included in my list specifically for people who cannot afford rarer coins, but still want something better than a $70 panda with a mintage of 300,000 to 600,000.

1988 1 oz gold san francisco expo dragon medal NGC PF 69 UC

$3999 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. Mintage 1500. This is a gorgeous medal with a low mintage and one of the most beautiful dragon designs made. I think the price is a bit high on this coin/medal but it deserves a mention here, since they could take off at any time. The most important thing about this coin that earns it a spot on my list is that it's a 69. Only half of them graded so far have been able to get a 69 (14 out of 28 total). They were frequently mishandled, and good quality, hand-selected specimens rarely earn an investment-quality grade. None have earned a 70. Oh, and it has the Chinese lucky number 8 twice in the date, which increases its desirability.

1990 2 oz dragon & phoenix NGC PF 69 UC

$22,000 Buy-It-Now, or best offer. Mintage 2538. This is THE most popular modern Chinese coin. The price is many multiples of coins that are often as rare or rarer. This is the power of popularity. It is absolutely gorgeous, and difficult to obtain in a 69 grade. They were all damaged by mishandling at the mint. No 70 coins have been discovered, and people have been looking hard.

1991 bimetallic 25 yuan coin and hong kong expo medal 2 coin set NGC PF 69 UC

This is an auction for two very rare coins with a low mintage of 2003 or 2004 (sources vary). I expect the final price to be between $2500 and $5000, with a price around $3000 most likely. It will be exciting to see what these actually sell for.

NEW 1995 1 oz silver kuan yin NGC MS 69

$260 auction starting price. Mintage 30,000.

NEW 1995 15 g silver fu lu shu NGC PF 69 UC

$425 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 20,000.

1995 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC

$925 auction starting price, $1025 Buy-It-Now. The mintage is thought to be only about 4000, but I suspect it may actually be even lower than that. This coin is priced high, but it's one that I think is worth "overpaying" for. I would normally expect to see this coin priced between $350 and $500, but since I haven't seen any at all lately, at any price, I think overpaying for this coin is worthwhile. It's only a matter of time before it will cost you twice as much. It's one of my top picks despite the high price.

1995 1/10 oz gold proof unicorn PCGS PR 69 DCAM

$1650 auction starting price, $1850 Buy-It-Now. Planned mintage 5000, actual mintage believed to be 2504. Compare the low mintage and price of this coin to my other top picks. The mintage is substantially lower, but the price is comparatively cheap. You can't go wrong with this one. It's cheap, high grade, popular, and low mintage. It's one of my top picks.

1995 1/10 oz gold proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC

$1995 Buy-It-Now. Planned mintage 5000, actual mintage believed to be 2504. The Pricepedia says a raw, ungraded specimen of this coin is worth about $600. However, this is an investment-grade specimen of a coin with a low mintage that's not seen very often. Many of these were probably lost or damaged, especially due to usage in jewelry. With an official mintage of only 5000, and an actual mintage that is normally around half to one-tenth the planned mintages in 1995 - it could turn out that only a few of these still exist. I would make a wild guess that between 500 and 3000 of them exist in investment grade, depending on how many were lost. There are 21 of these graded by NGC, and only 15 have a 69 grade. None have received a 70 grade.

The $1995 asking price is high, no question about that but is it worth it? Well, I thought long and hard about including this in my list, and I decided against it in my previous lists because of the high price. But, I've changed my mind. Small size rare gold coins are hot right now, and the market is heating up again. Unicorns and peacocks are especially popular, and even more so now that the Pricepedia is covering them. You'll have to sit on this a while to break even I suspect, but I believe it is a good investment, and so it belongs in my list.

2004, 2005, 2006 1 oz silver beijing coin expo panda medal 3 coin set NGC PF 69 UC

$850 Buy-It-Now. Mintage 30,000. These are highlighted with gold plating for the expos at China's capital city of Beijing, and are likely to be popular, and thus a good investment. I think they're underpriced right now due to the popularity factor. They're rare, but not rare compared to their price, which makes them seem expensive.



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Total recommendations sold: $208,242.86

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #50 article, total: $23,701.35 (surpassed $200,000 in coins sold from these lists)

Just look at how many coins sold! WOW! This is the most aggressive buying action from these lists since I began doing them a few months ago. The market is no longer in a slowdown. It's officially HOT!

The best bargain that got snagged was the 1986 1/20 oz gold proof panda. It sold for only $164.50! That's roughly 1/10th of what I think that coin SHOULD be selling for in the near future. Other dates have been selling for around $250 to $500 right now, so no matter how you look at it, the coin sold cheap. It has a mintage of only 10,000 with many of them destroyed through usage in Jewerly. A silver proof panda with a similar mintage in high grade would sell for around $700 to $1800, depending on the year. Whoever bought that coin made a very good investment.

Also interesting is the aggressive buying action on the 1996 1 oz silver proof unicorns. Full asking prices are being paid, and new records are being set. 3 of them sold for over $450, when they were selling for only around $280 just a few weeks ago. WOW!

The 1 oz silver lunar coins are very hot too. It looks like it's going to be hard to get them under $400 from now on.

The 1988 1 oz gold Hong Kong Expo medal sold $8600, which was a bit more than my maximum "bargain" estimate of $8000. In general, coins are starting to exceed my price estimates, instead of falling short as they were during the slowdown. These are exciting times again.

1991 1/4 oz gold proof pandas NGC PF 69 UC for $1100 Feb 19, 2011
1989 5 oz silver panda NGC PF 69 UC for $1000 Feb 19, 2011
1986 1/20 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $165.50 Feb 18, 2011
1988 1 oz gold hong kong expo panda dragon medal NGC PF 69 UC for $8600 Feb 18, 2011
1988 1 oz platinum lunar dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $6200 Feb 18, 2011
1988 1 oz silver dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $770 Feb 18, 2011
1992 1 oz silver lunar monkey NGC PF 69 UC for $365 Feb 18, 2011
1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $399 Feb 18, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $454.95 X 3 Feb 18, 2011
1996 1 oz silver piedfort kuan yin NGC PF 69 UC for $650 Feb 18, 2011
2006 1 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar dog NGC PF 69 UC for $270 Feb 18, 2011
2006 1 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar dog NGC PF 69 UC for $270 Feb 18, 2011
1994 1/4 oz gold proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $1500 Feb 17, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $399 Feb 17, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $399 Feb 17, 2011 (LBC makes me rich)
2004 1 oz silver beijing expo panda NGC MS 69 for $249 Feb 17, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #49 article, total: $9304

Once again, 1989 coins are being bought very aggressively. The prices for the 1989 1 oz silver proof panda are quickly moving back up to the peak offering price of $299, with the highest sale at $275. That's some very unusual strong buying we're seeing. I don't have an explanation for it either. I suspect the coin is seen as a bargain, due to its low price compared to the other proof pandas. It is an attractive first investment to make, on a coin that can't be called overpriced due to massive gains yet, unlike some of the others that earlier had doubled or tripled in just a few months.

Small size gold proof pandas are extremely hot right now. Record prices all around, on rarely seen and hard to find investment-grade coins. Compared to their full-size counterparts, they're more affordable, and very attractive investments due to the larger number of people who can afford to drive the prices upward on them.

The 2000 scallop dragon was a coin that I had overlooked (on purpose or by accident, I wont say, hehe). I was surprised to see them both sell very quickly after they were brought to everyone's attention by FanOfBadon in the comments on my last article. They're the key coin for the silver scallop series, and although I think the nearly $1000 price is high, it's nothing compared to where it'll be in the future. With a mintage of only 6800, and increasing popularity, it's likely they'll end up being $10,000 coins along with the many other comparatively inexpensive coins that are included in my list when they come available.

1994 1/4 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 UC for $1598 Feb 16, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $250 Feb 15, 2011
1990 1/2 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $1275 Feb 15, 2011
1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $399 Feb 15, 2011 (LBC makes me rich private sale)
1993 1/2 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $3250 Feb 15, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $275 Feb 14, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $259 Feb 14, 2011
2000 2/3 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar dragon PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $999 X 2 Feb 14, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #48 article, total: $7972.79

Somebody got a great bargain on the 2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary panda NGC PF 70 UC. It went for only $63.01, when my estimate was $180. I've been told my enthusiasm for these coins is a bit too emphatic, and that may be the case, but even those who are telling me that agree that $63 for one of these was a bargain price. I would have bought it myself, but I was busy writing this article, and didn't notice it going WAY too cheaply!

The lunar coins did very well, especially the 1989 1 oz gold snake. It has a mintage of 3000, and sold for over $4000! There are several coins in this list right now with mintages lower than that, and many cost a small fraction of that price. That's a clue about where prices are going on the underpriced coins. Notice the difference that a little extra rarity and popularity can make - 8 g gold snake from the same year has a little more than double the mintage, so you would intuitively guess that it'd sell for half the price, right? Well, it sold for about 1/5 the price. A little rarity and a lot of popularity goes a LONG way.

1988 8 g gold lunar dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $1075 Feb 13, 2011
1989 8 g gold lunar snake NGC PF 69 UC for $750 Feb 13, 2011
1989 1 oz gold lunar snake NGC PF 69 UC for $4055.56 Feb 13, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver 2004 25th anniversary panda NGC PF 70 UC for $63.01 Feb 13, 2011
1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $899 Feb 11, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set for $822.22 Feb 11, 2011
2002 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 for $86 Feb 10, 2011
1995 1/20 oz gold small date panda NGC MS 69 for $222 Feb 10, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #47 article, total: $1123

1990, 1991, and 1992 coins are the sold items of the day. Funny how that comes right after the hoard of 1989 coins that were bought up just prior. Probably a temporary anomaly, but I don't think so. Overall, not an exciting set of sales, but the worldwide markets were slower today after a temporary rally in the U.S. Dollar. That really is only temporary. Prices have been increasing noticeably, and fewer coins are being listed. I'm hearing reports of sellers delisting their coins, or claiming to have "lost" it after someone purchases it. A few good coins have been getting listed though, but at higher prices.

1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $309 Feb 09, 2011
1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $399 Feb 09, 2011
1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $415 Feb 09, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #46 article, total: $5604

What's up with the 1989 coins? For whatever reason, all the hottest coins are dated 1989. 1989 1 oz silver proof pandas continue to be bought up aggressively, with the cheaper coins disappearing quickly. Anything $299 and under has been getting bought up. The American expo medals are also still selling well, especially the 1989 1 oz silver with a mintage of only 4000.

1999 1 oz gold large date panda NGC MS 70 for $4550 Feb 08, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 DCAM for $255 Feb 08, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $299 Feb 07, 2011
1989 1 oz silver New York expo panda horse medal NGC PF 69 UC for $500 Feb 07, 2011 (private sale, LBC makes me rich)

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #45 article, total: $4296.99

Sales are strong again, with many proof silver pandas being bought aggressively. Small size coins are selling quickly, or being removed from sale offerings, sometimes before the article gets published. Proof silver pandas were the star of the show, by far, but the other coins that sold went for very strong prices, especially coins with dragons and horses on them. 1989 1 oz silver proof pandas were on fire for some reason. Prices hit the $299 level, which I think is a new record for that coin. If not a new record, then at least it's back up to where it was before the slowdown started. Very impressive performance overall.

1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $279 Feb 05, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $718.88 Feb 05, 2011
2007 1/25 oz gold 25th anniversary 2004 panda NGC PF 70 UC for $129.99 Feb 05, 2011
1988 1 oz silver piedfort lunar dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $688 Feb 04, 2011
1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $309 Feb 04, 2011
1989 1/4 oz gold new york expo panda horse medal NGC PF 69 UC for $873 Feb 04, 2011 (LBC makes me rich)
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $260 Feb 04, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $299 Feb 04, 2011
1990 1 g gold proof dragon & phoenix NGC PF 69 UC for $400 Feb 03, 2011
1993 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $340.12 Feb 03, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #44 article, total: $2686.72

Sales were strong for this article. Prices are still reduced from their recent peak, but they're climbing upward again. The star of the show was the 1988 1 oz gold san francisco expo dragon medal that sold for $3250. That's a nice price for a medal, and evidence that my article detailing why medals matter was correct.

1987 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $405 Feb 03, 2011
1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $227.62 Feb 03, 2011
1993 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $340.12 Feb 03, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $680 Feb 03, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $330.98 Feb 03, 2011
1988 1 oz gold san francisco expo dragon medal NGC PF 69 UC for $3250 Feb 02, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #43 article, total: $928.99

1990 1/10 oz platinum proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $699 Feb 02, 2011
1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 69 for $100 Feb 02, 2011
2007 1/25 oz gold 25th anniversary 2004 panda NGC PF 70 UC for $129.99 Feb 01, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #42 article, total: $2241.59

The 1990 dragon & phoenix coin achieved strong price that I believe is a new record. The coin was previously not considered rare, but now it is, and it earned almost $400! The 1997 unicorn was listed with a Buy-It-Now price of only $115, but greedy buyers decided to try to bid on it instead at its auction starting price of $99 to shave a few dollars off the price. In the end, they just had to pay more, as the coin almost reached $125 in auction. Pay the asking price, and get the coin! Don't be a cheapskate. The historical figures Beethoven coin was a disappointment at only $80. I think it is easily worth $100+, but The Market has spoken...I consider it a bargain. The 1986 empress of China coin sold at auction for almost $90, which I think is an excellent price, and shows some solid strength in the demand for that coin. Prices have been increasing for both raw and graded coins, with 69 and 70 graded coins selling for very profitable prices from a dealer perspective, and motivating them to submit more of them for grading. The 70 coins are the real stunners to watch for though, with MASSIVE premiums over the price of a 69.

1990 1 oz silver dragon & phoenix NGC PF 69 UC for $395 Feb 01, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set for $777.77 Jan 31, 2011 (LBC makes me rich)
2006 1 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar dog NGC PF 69 UC for $275 Jan 31, 2011
2002 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 69 for $99 Jan 31, 2011
1997 1 oz silver unicorn NGC MS 69 for $124.49 Jan 31, 2011
1990 1 oz silver world historical figures Beethoven NGC PF 69 UC for $80 Jan 31, 2011
1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 69 for $89.88 Jan 31, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $399.95 Jan 30, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #41 article, total: $2620.99 (surpassed $150,000 in coins sold from these lists)

2007 1/25 oz gold 25th anniversary 2004 panda NGC PF 70 UC for $129.99 Jan 30, 2011
1990 1/4 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $750 Jan 29, 2011
1984 27 g silver panda NGC PF 69 UC for $1741 Jan 29, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #40 article, total: $5665

1988 1 oz platinum lunar dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $5500 Jan 26, 2011
2001 D 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 69 for $165 Jan 25, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #39 article, total: $4254.23

1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $299 Jan 25, 2011
1987 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $631.23 Jan 24, 2011
1990 1/2 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $1198 Jan 24, 2011
1990 1/2 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $1298 Jan 24, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set for $699 Jan 24, 2011
1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 69 for $120 Jan 23, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #38 article, total: $2183.44

2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $151 Jan 23, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set for $740.45 Jan 23, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set for $610 Jan 23, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary 1997 proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $94 Jan 23, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary 2005 proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $94 Jan 23, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver 25th anniversary 2006 proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $112.50 Jan 23, 2011
2009 1 oz silver 30th anniversary panda PCGS MS 70 for $161.50 Jan 23, 2011
1992 15 g silver marco polo NGC PF 69 UC for $219.99 Jan 22, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #37 article, total: $4855

1992 15 g silver marco polo NGC PF 69 UC for $199 Jan 22, 2011
1992 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $499 Jan 22, 2011
1994 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $900 Jan 22, 2011
1996 1 oz silver unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $399 Jan 22, 2011
1994 1/4 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $1598 Jan 21, 2011
1982 1/10 oz gold panda NGC MS 69 for $710 Jan 20, 2011
1988 1 oz silver proof dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $550 Jan 20, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #36 article, total: $8451.96

1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $299 Jan 20, 2011
2002 2/3 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar horse for $976 Jan 19, 2011
2000 2/3 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar dragon for $808.08 Jan 19, 2011
1993 1 oz silver fu lu shu NGC MS 69 for $263.88 Jan 19, 2011
1993 1/2 oz gold Mao Tse-Tung NGC PF 69 UC for $4800 Jan 19, 2011
1981 15 g silver lunar rooster NGC PF 69 UC for $1305 Jan 19, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #35 article, total: $399

1996 1 oz silver unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $399 Jan 18, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #34 article, total: $11944.01

1988 1 oz platinum lunar dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $5600.01 Jan 17, 2011
1990 1 oz platinum horse NGC PF 69 UC for $5145 Jan 17, 2011

1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $450 Jan 16, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $749 Jan 16, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #33 article, total: $7008.02

1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $771.04 Jan 16, 2011
1993 1/10 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $1098 Jan 16, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set NGC PF 69 UC for $1095 Jan 15, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $745 Jan 15, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $255 Jan 14, 2011
1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $299.99 Jan 14, 2011
1993 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $599.99 Jan 14, 2011
2004 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 69 UC for $895 Jan 14, 2011
1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $450 Jan 12, 2011
1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $799 Jan 11, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #32 article, total: $4741.88 (passed $100k in sold recommended investments)

1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $329 Jan 11, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $729 Jan 11, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $741 Jan 11, 2011
1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $765 Jan 11, 2011
1994 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $888.88 Jan 11, 2011
1993 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $404 Jan 11, 2011
1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $355 Jan 11, 2011
1990 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $275 Jan 11, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $255 Jan 11, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #31 article, total: $3701

2004 1/4 oz palladium panda NGC PF 69 UC for $895 Jan 10, 2011
1993 5 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $2561 Jan 10, 2011
2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $150 Jan 10, 2011
1991 silver Albert Eintstein NGC PF 69 UC for $95 Jan 09, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #30 article, total: $299.99

1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $250 Jan 08, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary 2001-2002 panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $49.99 Jan 08, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #29 article, total: $4715.61

1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $450 Jan 08, 2011
1996 1 oz silver proof unicorn NGC PF 69 UC for $299 Jan 08, 2011
1999 1/4 oz gold large date serif panda NGC MS 69 for $3049.99 Jan 08, 2011
2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $143.60 Jan 08, 2011
2008 1 oz silver proof panda NGC MS 70 for $161.50 Jan 08, 2011
2009 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $159.51 Jan 08, 2011
2009 1 oz silver proof panda NGC MS 70 for $139.95 Jan 08, 2011
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $250 Jan 07, 2011
2009 1 oz silver 30th anniversary panda NGC MS 69 for $62.06 Jan 07, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #28 article, total: $998

2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set for $700 Jan 07, 2011
1990 1/10 oz gold proof pandas PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $298 Jan 06, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #27 article, total: $18595

1989 8 g gold lunar snake NGC PF 69 UC for $800 Jan 06, 2011
1998 1 oz gold large date panda NGC MS 69 for $5500 Jan 06, 2011
2004 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 69 UC for $895 Jan 06, 2011
2008 5 oz gold panda NGC MS 70 for $11,400 Jan 06, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #26 article, total: $869.95

2007 1/4 oz silver proof 25th anniversary panda 25 coin set for $700 Jan 04, 2011
2005 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $169.95 Jan 04, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #25 article, total: $823

1998 2/3 oz silver lunar scallop plum blossom flower tiger NGC PF 69 UC for $770 Jan 03, 2011
2007 1/4 oz silver 1989 25th anniversary panda NGC PF 70 UC for $53 Jan 02, 2011

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #24 article, total: $2408.11

2008 1 oz silver olympic kite flying NGC PF 70 UC for $88.01 Jan 02, 2011
2008 1 oz silver olympic goat jumping NGC PF 70 UC for $87.10 Jan 02, 2011
2008 1 oz silver olympic shuttlecock NGC PF 70 UC for $81 Jan 02, 2011
2008 1 oz silver olympic hoop rolling NGC PF 70 UC for $82.01 Jan 02, 2011
1996 1 oz silver small date panda NGC MS 69 for $99.99 Jan 01, 2011
1986 1/10 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $280 Jan 01, 2011
1986 1/4 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $540 Jan 01, 2011
1986 1/20 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $150 Dec 31, 2010
1986 1/2 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $1000 Dec 31, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #23 article, total: $2178

1996 1 oz silver small date panda NGC MS 69 for $85 Dec 31, 2010
1996 1 oz silver large date panda NGC MS 69 for $85 Dec 31, 2010
1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $449 Dec 31, 2010
1990 1/20 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $298 Dec 31, 2010
1989 1/4 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $598 Dec 31, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $95 Dec 31, 2010
1989 1/4 oz gold proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $568 Dec 30, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #22 article, total: $600.11

2007 1/25 oz gold 2004 15 yuan proof panda NGC PF 70 UC for $119.99 Dec 30, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $103.38 Dec 30, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $103.76 Dec 30, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $100.88 Dec 30, 2010
2009 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $86.05 Dec 29, 2010
2009 1 oz silver 30th anniversary panda NGC MS 70 for $86.05 Dec 29, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #21 article, total: $3975.38

2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $101.88 Dec 29, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $108.50 Dec 29, 2010
1987 1/4 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $550 Dec 28, 2010
1994 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $1188 Dec 28, 2010
1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $799 Dec 28, 2010
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $888 Dec 28, 2010
2003 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $340 Dec 28, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #20 article, total: $4541.93

1990 1/2 oz gold proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $1298 Dec 28, 2010
2009 1 oz gold panda NGC MS 70 for $1850 Dec 28, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $108.38 Dec 28, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $106.50 Dec 28, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $104.05 Dec 28, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 X 10 for $1075 Dec 28, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #19 - Don't buy ungraded coins article, total: $2316.24

1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $299 Dec 27, 2010
1992 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $399.99 Dec 27, 2010
2005 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 70 UC for $1295 Dec 27, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $105.60 Dec 27, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $108.05 Dec 27, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $108.60 Dec 27, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments #18 article, total: $1716.48

1984 27 g silver panda NGC PF 69 UC for $1613.88 Dec 26, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $102.60 Dec 26, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments - 2010-Dec-24 article, total: $2089.19 (passed $50k in sold recommended investments)

2010 1 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower tiger NGC PF 69 UC for $275 Dec 24, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $105.60 Dec 25, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $108.60 Dec 25, 2010
1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $799.99 Dec 24, 2010
2004 1/2 oz palladium panda NGC PF 69 UC for $800 Dec 24, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments and commentary - 2010-Dec-23 article, total: $1901.60

1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $749 Dec 23, 2010
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $569 Dec 23, 2010
2010 1 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower tiger NGC PF 69 UC for $275 Dec 23, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $103.60 Dec 23, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $102.50 Dec 23, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $102.50 Dec 23, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments - 2010-Dec-21 article, total: $6892.07

1985 27 g proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $1619 Dec 22, 2010
1989 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $199.99 Dec 22, 2010
1990 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $268 Dec 22, 2010
1990 1 oz silver proof panda PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $305.02 Dec 22, 2010
1991 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $300.02 Dec 22, 2010
1995 1 oz silver pig NGC PF 69 UC for $970 Dec 22, 2010
1995 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $655 Dec 22, 2010
2006 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 for $61 Dec 22, 2010
2006 1 oz silver scallop plum blossom flower lunar dog NGC PF 69 UC for $280 Dec 22, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $102.50 Dec 22, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $105.54 Dec 22, 2010
1994 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $888 Dec 21, 2010
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $569 X 2 Dec 21, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments - 2010-Dec-20 article, total: $8762.24

1983 1 g gold Marco Polo NGC PF 69 UC for $402 Dec 20, 2010
1996 1 oz silver proof panda NGC PF 69 UC for $569 X 2 Dec 20, 2010
1997 1/2 oz gold scallop plum blossom flower lunar ox PCGS PR 69 DCAM for $2988 Dec 20, 2010
1998 1/2 oz gold scallop plum blossom flower lunar tiger NGC PF 69 UC for $3551 Dec 20, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $66.89 Dec 20, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $97 Dec 20, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $109.50 Dec 20, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $119 Dec 20, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $123.50 Dec 20, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $126.30 Dec 20, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 69 for $41.05 Dec 20, 2010

Coins sold from the Recommended modern Chinese coin investments - 2010-Dec-19 article, total: $16,422

1986 24 g silver empress of china clipper ship NGC MS 70 for $499.95 Dec 19, 2010
1988 1 oz silver dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $565.55 Dec 19, 2010
1988 8 g gold dragon NGC PF 69 UC for $1325 Dec 19, 2010
1989 1 oz gold snake NGC PF 69 UC for $4100 Dec 19, 2010
1989 8 g gold snake NGC PF 69 UC for $965 Dec 19, 2010
1998 1/2 oz gold small date panda NGC MS 69 for $6087 Dec 19, 2010
1999 1 oz gold small date panda for $2351.99 Dec 19, 2010
2001-D 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 69 for $160 Dec 19, 2010
2001-D 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 69 for $144.99 X 2 Dec 19, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $125 Dec 19, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $97.50  Dec 19, 2010

Coins sold from older articles, total: $14,463

2008 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 70 for $150 Dec 18, 2010 (LBC makes me rich)
2010 1 oz silver panda NGC MS 69 for $42.05 Dec 18, 2010
2009 1 oz silver 30th anniversary pandas NGC MS 69 X 10 for $510.95 Dec 16, 2010
1986 5 yuan soccer NGC PF 69 matte KM-140A for $3950 Dec 15, 2010
1987 5 oz silver panda NGC PF 69 UC for $800 Dec 12, 2010
1989 5 oz silver panda NGC PF 69 UC for $960 Dec 12, 2010
2000 1/2 oz gold scallop lunar dragon PCGS PF 69 DCAM for $5895 Dec 12, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $105 Dec 10, 2010
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $125 Dec 08, 2010 (LBC makes me rich)
2010 1 oz silver panda PCGS MS 70 for $125 Dec 08, 2010
1983 silver proof panda for $1800 Dec 06, 2010
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« Reply #1 on: 2011 Feb 19, 03:03:04 pm »

Do you have any sales data on investment grade of CHINA 5 Yuan 1989 Silver Proof Save The Children Fund? It is a cute coin with a panda on it!
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« Reply #2 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:03:04 pm »

I don't have data, but I have watched it closely. It has quintupled in price for ungraded versions. I don't think I've seen a graded one in a long time.  BU and proof have the same mintage, but I suspect the BU version is rarer in investment grades due to it being less respected and more frequently damaged.
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« Reply #3 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:09:37 pm »

Si-Fu Badon,

Would this be worth it for $3450?  

YEAR OF CHILD - 1979 - AU & AG - RARE & MINT PERFECT!!

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RARE 1988 China Gold Dragon San Fran Expo Coin NGC PF69 for $3999

Again...Si-Fu Badon--You rock!  
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« Reply #4 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:15:15 pm »

I think Badon will go for the 2nd. This is coming from a new student of Badon's school Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:19:00 pm »

I think Badon will go for the 2nd. This is coming from a new student of Badon's school Smiley

I have a feeling your right about this but than again I really dont know...LOL
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« Reply #6 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:24:13 pm »

hey ghostrider808,how long have you been investing in chinese coins?
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« Reply #7 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:26:13 pm »

Quote from Si-Fu Badon, "Over $23,000 worth of coins were bought from the last list! SHOCKING!"

GhostRider808," Opps...I might have something to do with that"  haha
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« Reply #8 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:26:50 pm »

hey ghostrider808,how long have you been investing in chinese coins?

Just started last week and you?
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« Reply #9 on: 2011 Feb 19, 04:43:26 pm »

i started a year ago buying all kinds of coins silver coins and a few pandas. But, in the last week, i started learning a lot from badon.
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