They Perth Mints and NZ mints distributors NOT pure precious metals dealers. I think they want to expand products range. Only 1 in stock as I try to order online.

Re: Big Gold, CBB & Dollar Future

Badon – I wasn’t pushing big Panda gold for myself or anyone worth less than $50 Million.   I just think it has some potential (the real low mintage ones) and is better than many numismatic items (most Perth Mint, fully valued older coins, even some MCC that have already gone up 50X or more)– however large gold pandas have nowhere near the % potential of these low mintage recent medals (mint & even private Chinese)(or Rhodium from these levels for that matter).   There are hardcore gold panda collectors just like silver ones (just not near as many) and will probably be more.  In the past there wasn’t a parallel paper garbage universe of stocks worth $60Trillion (12 X as much as all the gold on the planet above ground (nearly 500 X as much as the silver) that will look for momentum when it panics.  Collectors collect what they love – you are correct, but hedge funds, big dollar speculators, etc. chase momentum and could blow the lid off everything with their $Trillions available without regard for collector sentiment.   It won’t be limited to only silver and brass.  Gold pandas have the longest streak of all the metals in pandas.  (Not that I ever want to really chase gold pandas beyond some pandas at gold bullion prices. – Gold is only for some insurance stability – not to get rich on (like undervalued low mintage medals and Rhodium).

Your brass / copper coin list of benefits makes sense (2/3 of it outside of China, too).   Buying super low mintage Brass for $200 or less makes sense (although an equal mintage silver panda for the same price makes more sense because of the greater collection continuity among   pandas and other series (not to mention $14 more metal).   Paying $8888 for a Brass panda, however, does not make any more sense than an equal mintage large Gold.  Might be stable, but not much upside without hyperinflation.   The numistatic premium will probably not be more stable than the gold value, however.

Wafdawg – (Congrats on the nickels – I had $30K of them (nearly 3.5 tons)– logistical hassle (getting them and liquidating, but was covered for inflation or deflation).  I’ve liquidated about $5K so far.  I’ll keep at least $5K, however – but will take a while to get there.   That money is better put into Rhodium, Low mintage MCC & medals and even silver at this point.

Wafdawg – Your points are essentially correct, individually, but if you step back and apply the same historical and future analysis to your present facts/observations (in the same manner that you and everyone on here has with MCC and medals – it is obvious that things will change (and the rate of change is accelerating).   Every paper system collapses in history (China’s had 4 collapses of their own – that is why they are smarter than Americans on understanding wealth (as are the Germans due to Weimar) (The US screwed the Chinese in the 30’s on their silver standard, ironically).   The structural requirement to continuously expand the debt just to avoid collapsing the economy (US & Japan are the worse, but all require it)  guarantees an eventual collapse. 

Also:  China, Russia, Brazil and India (all for starters – not to even mention the Mideasterners, etc.) want to get rid of the Dollar as the world reserve currency.  This is a minimum of 10 X the population of the US and 5 X the resources all patiently scheming against it.  Not many Jews thought things could change from their peaceful lives in the 1930’s in Germany.  Those that got suspicious and got out of their system survived.  (An extreme example, too and hopefully the violence and mayhem won’t come along with the coming currency issue).   Basic laws of economics / physics / nature all say if something is increased in supply nearly infinitely – its value goes to zero.  Even your example included the Federal Reserves criminal destruction of 97% of the dollar in 102 years.   The next 97% won’t take near that long.  Pandamonium will probably be right – it is just a question of when (unfortunately – I don’t want it, but I’m not going to be an ostrich and not prepare).  Almost no one I talk to in person ever thinks it can change. 

Oh - I agree with you on Bitcoin - utterly worthless wealth storage and a combination of the worse money qualities rolled into one - perfect tracking of the activity, government angst for it, volatility and less inherent value than even paper - same as computer digits.  The only benefit is theoretical ease of payment oversees with potentially less pass-through.  Badon was correct about what he/we need Bitcoin like.

Nanjing 2013 copper God of Wealth coins at a dirt cheap price in NGC 68 grade: 181857145352, 161815154668. If you just like the beauty of these, the low price is an excellent way to get them in your collection. The price is so low that I think they're actually a decent investment too.

for those interested, a set of 69's Pagodas, WITH BOX and COA.  Pandamonium is going fall off his chair in excitement. lol.

http://www.coinvault.com/newchina.htm

That is NOT my pagoda set, in case you are wondering.